Psix For PSP Released - Lite version Downloadable

[planetusa]

First....legal and right are two different things.

Morally, he has every right to modify a device he personally owns. He created the software, he can charge for it if he likes, morally, ethically, and every-ally speaking. It was his time put into it, that it a chargeable service from any point of view.

Secondly
(there is NO eula when you first turn on the psp, and what kid is going to read their manual? it's not legally binding ESPECIALLY if he, or anyone using the PSP is under 18, and therefore homebrew is completely legal, if you'd like to challenge me on this, find a lawyer, I'll pit mine against yours) Homebrew is not illegal. What IS illegal is piracy, which some homebrew applications allow, but not homebrew itself. I can prove this upside down, backwards, and sideways.



Michael

[Skye]

Agreed, homebrew is completely legal. As planetusa stated, as well other people in this thread. It's not like Windows where you have to agree to a EULA to use the product. The EULA comes with the manual and is not legally binding because you are not required to agree with it to use the hardware/software that makes up the PSP. If you buy hardware you can modify it to your hearts content (software included), as long as you aren't cracking/reverse engineering Sony copyrighted software doing so.

Secondly, he can not however sell the program legally, so instead he is selling the support etc which like it or not it is legal anyway you look at it. Now, I'm not sure about using GPL licensed code in his program (and not releasing the source), because we don't have source to look at. We'll have to leave that to someone who can prove he is using GPL licensed code.

Personally I'm not going to buy it, but I don't disagree with him wanting it to be paid for. He said his share is going to be invested back to other coder via donations, whether he does is up to him. If you don't want it, don't buy it. That's your right.

And, for anyone wanting to argue that he can't give a pro version out and claim it's for the support/forums he can and it's within his rights.

By the way, TheEmulatorGuy we are not countering this with our opinions, this is the law. Unless you live in a country that would let a corporate entity have that sort of power over you, but the United States doesn't. This has been discussed endlessly in other forums before (NGEmu) it's nothing new. I'm not trying to bash you but I think you are going the wrong way about arguing your point of view. The second people start to disagree with you, it seems like you just get angry instead of posting calmly.

[scarface350]

do you know what really ticks me off about you dam people the most, its the people that say things like " omg u all are stupid kids ill gladly Pay 10 bucks" or " ur probally a 13 year old", you know what you people need to stfu. Yes i am 14 years old and age has NOTHING to do with the problem. I personally cant pay for a program lke this because i dont have a paypal account. and i wouldnt pay for it anyway because the program just doesnt suit my needs. But what i hate is when those types of people act like they support the developers and act like they are "" MATURE "" they end up doing the exact opposite of those things. SO STOP TRYING TO PRETEND THAT YOU ARE A MATURE INDIVIDUAL AND STOP STEREOTYPING THE PEOPLE THAT ARENT 18 BECAUSE

1) IM SURE MOST OF YOU WHO DO THESE THINGS ARE UNDER 18 TOO

2) I BET MY MONEY THAT MOST OF YOU PEOPLE IN HERE WHO FAKE MATURITY DONT PAY ANYTHING AT ALL, YOU JUST LOVE TO ASS KISS AND TRY TO GAIN AN EGO.

And lastly, I agree that sometimes the people in the scene become morons, But in this case the main discussion of this shell is the payment issue. People are just announcing their opinion on why it should be free. Now as i have stated before i dont think that you should pay for this app because

1) EVEN THOUGH hes making a membership service for updates and all that, he is STILL selling homebrew, which wasnt authorized By sony, the ones who manufactured the machine, in other words, it is illegal.

2) for the most part i just dont feel like paying 10 bucks for a homebrew app which MIND YOU is 1000 years to early to face PSP-oSS( a free shell ), SIMPLY BECAUSE I CANT .

SO THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE DAMN PEOPLE WHO SPEAK THEIR MINDS IT IS THE FAKERS WHO GO AGAINST THEM WHEN THEY ARE JUST PLAYING THEMSELVES. . anyway i just felt i had to say something because this is wat im sure really pisses people off, Now i am sure that there are actually people who donate, contribrute to the scene Developers, but for the fakers, PLEASE just stfu becuase you are only playing urself. Just my god damn 2 cents

[planetusa]

@scarface:

You're right, age has nothing to do with it. We're really more talking about legality and morality. From a legal standpoint, anyone under an 18 year old in the US cannot enter into a legal agreement(which anything preventing the development of homebrew would certainly have to be)

But that wasn't meant as a point anyway.

Though sony did in fact manufacture the machine, they do not in fact, own it any longer. You do. This is not a "licensed" piece of hardware, what you choose to do with it is your legal right, as long as you do not break laws (hack with it, cause property damage, etc).

Reverse engineering is in fact completely legal.

Directly profitting from reverse engineering is however not.

With that said, what we have here is what's considered clean-room reverse engineering. The creator of PSIX did not do any of the reverse engineering him/herself. Instead, they read the documentation of someone else who did the actual reverse-engineering to create an implementation based upon that.

I haven't even tried PSIX, probably won't buy it, and probably won't try it until it has a feature that blows me away, as is the case without almost all of the homebrew out there. I use it if I need it.

I'm not sure if you were directing your comments towards me, but I am in fact a developer, of one of the most anticipated projects out there, Eclipse (the web browser).

If you're going to make comments, please, keep it clean, don't use crude language, there are other ways to get your point across.

Michael

[Skye]

The point I am trying to make is first it's not illegal. He is selling a membership to the forums this is just a perk of being a member (I didn't say it isn't shady just not illegal) IGN does the same thing. Second, if you don't like it then don't buy it and stop complaining. Also, the theory that one person charging for homebrew is going to kill the scene and tear the fabric of space and time is stupid. So people just need to stop using that one.

I personally donated 10 dollars to yoyofr and overdrew my bank account over it. Cost me 30 dollars plus the 10 I donated. =(

[pepegomez]

I COMPLETELY agree! I know how to program in C++, and i know that it is not easy... in fact ive never finished a real game... lol.... But if a developer wants to charge for a program that they have spent countless hours using THEIR PERSONAL TIME that they could very well be doing something else, like something fun, but no, they decide to code a program for people who want it. They dont need it, they want it.

People like planetusa and AnonymousTipster who are working on such an advanced project like Eclipse deserve a little compensation for using hours of their time to make it.

Once you learn how to program and you create your own web browser FROM SCRATCH and give it away for free, then you can complain about people selling homebrew. Untill then (yeah right) you just sit back and wait you ungratfull little bastard.

its totally ok that u want to sell ur games or what ever. but not homebrew. thats why its called homebrew!

[mog]

Q) Can psix boot v2.00 games such as GTA?

A) Yes and No, some v2.00 required games do run from psix without update, but sadly most (Including GTA) do not.

?
does that mean that this program will let 1.0 & 1.5 psp's run umd games that require higher firmwares???
i'd pay for that!

[planetusa]

@pepegomez:

That's NOT why it's called homebrew. It's called homebrew because it's not made by a game studio. It's called homebrew because it's a DIY type thing. Like homemade beer is called homebrew.

@mog:
Yes, but it's limited in which games it supports. Methods are being worked on in other places to make games work, but it seems almost every game has a different reason it doesn't work. Hence why loaders are made and hacked into the iso.

Michael

[romz.rr]

The truth about Fluff aka naoneo
Posted on Lundi, octobre 31 @ 23:55:26 CET
Topic: SonyxTeam News
SonyxTeam News
Here is what Fluff aka naoneo wrote in ********** today:

3) I don't want to wake up at some point next week to see Yoshi and SXT releasing "SXT-OS beta" and claiming "omg its all our code we just used fluffs idea!" Razz

We do not like false acusations, and therefore we will make a statement in order to defend oursleves

Here is what you should know about Fluff:

- He comes from ps2nfo (I don't know exactely what he did there since I don't waiste my timer in such crappy websites.

- He started a project called pspos (I am not totally sure about the name) (the sources are located in ps2dev.org) it was a crappy graphic interface with a pointer he got fired by the team's project (even if he doesn't state so) and the project was stopped.

- Then he claimed he created most of the pspos project and wanted to create his own project called psix, he gave awesome pics of it (probably photoshopped), leaked fake videos and said he was gonna implent mp3 and video player etc etc etc....

- We didn't hear much of it, until he claimed he released a beta version (there is no proof there has ever been one) and asked for donations (a reliable source told us that he got at least about 800 USD in his paypal account used for donations)

- Then in order to get more donations with paypal and as he couldn't continue his psix project (he wasn't skilled enough for that and got stuck) he performed some lame hex hacks on the psp firmware rco that even a kiddie could have done (such as removing the waves, changing the icon's name, the displayed version......)

- Then knowing it was the beggining of the end, he said that he stopped his project and as he couldn't release even a single beta eboot or sources, he just blamed us for that and gave his lame excuse that had been posted as news on ********** !

We don't even care about his lame source, we have never been interested into creating a shell, and we never asked him to release them, but at least if he was honest (whitch I doubt he would just release an eboot so everyone can test it (and see how crappy it is)

All fluff cared about was to get your money from the paypal donations !

What did you expect ? Did you even think it would be possible for a single man to creat a shell featuring, mp3 player, divx player, iso loader, webcam monitor and lots of awesome stuffs... as naoneo (aka Fluff) stated ?? Of course not !

In my opinion Fluff doesn't worth more than alonetrio.

Where the hell is the eboot ???!! Why can't we test it, or at least have some proofs ??? (because there are none of course....)

And please **********, check how reliable are your sources before posting news (that are no more than a huge flamming by the way)

You blame us for alonetrio's donation, when you have a huge scammer in front of you and not only you can't see it, but you give him more honour than he would ever deserve !

I personnaly think this whole scene has just gone crazy, and I really hope it'll calm down.

A personal note to naoneo:

Did you really think we would'nt answer your post after saying crap about us ?....

If you really want to go pay this thief go ahead and be stupid...

Nothing else needs to be said about that idiot...

Fluff you are the biggest disgrace to the scene and should get bent..

Quote sourced from

http://www.sonyxteam.com/modules.php...article&sid=23

[F9zDark]

Why do you fools keep quoting SonyXteam's site? If yall remember Yoshi's bid to get donations to finish up the downgrader which never came from him, when he said it would you'd certainly stop quoting that site.

And to all you kids in here, get a ****ing job you layabouts. I had a job at 12 because my parents refused to buy me anything. My 2 PSPs? Yep I worked my ass off for them. My mommy and daddy didn't hand them to me on a silver platter.

Once you start earning your money you realize how important your time is. Now take into consideration that all of the homebrew developers not only work in the real world, or attend school or both(if you are me), but on top of that, they are spending their free time to produce software for everyone to use.

Now, lets do the math here, assuming that they work 40 hours a week and goto school full time, which is about 8 hours a day for 2 days, if not more depending on the course load. Then homework, which is about 1 hour per credit hour. So about 13 hours of homework in the week(and this is being conservative). Thats 69 hours a week spent on necessity. Then factor in 8 hours of sleep a night which is 56 hours a week. So all in all, thats 125 hours in the week, that are all accounted for already.

A week has 168 hours in it, which now 125 are already consumed. So that leaves the developer 43 hours of free time. And where are friends and family in this mix? What about the girlfriend? What about the person's hygiene? What if the person has pets, or a house or a car? All things that take away from the free time.

And you mean to tell me that you are going to cry and complain about a developer charging for program updates and support? Now take away from the free time, the 20 hours a week the developer will definately spend on supporting his work on the forums and website. This doesn't even include the time he is going to spend making his program better.

If you have problems with paying for service then quit your bitching. Would you complain if your car needed work? If your friend can get 70 dollars an hour fixing cars, why should he fix yours for free?

Same principle here...