Ceasefire in the Battle of the PSP Scene

[MalumEnSe]

I hope that this is the start of a new era in the PSP news scene. As a news poster on PSPUpdates, I'm relieved to know that I don't have to worry about carrying on this uncomfortable tête á tête when it comes to properly sourcing developers. Hats off to all involved for overcoming personal grudges - it's never an easy thing to do.

[Thisisclay]

Here is a slightly modified version of something I posted in my forums about a similar topic. I hope some get to read it before I am banned and deleted.

I've never denied that QJ.NET is a commercial venture. This is obviously very controvercial to many people who have been in the homebrew scene for a long time, as a site that covers homebrew has never really done what we are doing before. I can understand how it would feel like an intrusion. Kinda like when I was young and punk rock became popular, and commercialized, I hated it, I wanted it to remain underground. So yeah, I can understand the way a lot of people feel.

My side of it is this:

1) What is wrong with me paying my staff? We are doing what we love for a living. By your logic, Smiths, you should hate IGN, Gamespot, Joystiq, Kotaku, and any other big gaming site. They ALL pay their staff. Hell, Wraggster has ads and affiliates too. He is making money off of reporting news and there is nothing wrong with it.

We pay our staff so that they can report cutting edge news, twenty four hours a day, seven days a week (we were even here on Christmas). This canot be done without ads and paid staff.

Also, we also have thousands of dollars invested in Research and Development (new CMS, site designs, download site, hosting, technology, revolutionary new blog comments system, etc). These are the quality of features that QJ.net will offer. There is no way to bring the kind of quality we want to bring without advertising and paid staff.

2) We don't just cover homebrew, we cover everything. And soon we won't just cover gaming, we'll cover cars, gadgets, cellphones, gardening, cooking, etc. Granted, a substantial part of our traffic is here because of homebrew news, but that doesn't mean that we are "profiting off of homebrew". That argument that is hogwash in my opinion.

I hope you guys who disagree with me might, at least, be able to understand our goal better now, and perhaps not feel like we're the Nazis we're made out to be in some circles.

One last note. About the Sourcing thing. I've maintained for months that if he agrees to start sourcing us. I'm glad he's finally taken us up on that, my hat is off to you Wragg. I truly hope this is a first step towards a more civil and pleasent online enviornment for all of us.

[Skye]

Looks to be for the best, I hope we can all keep it this way. =)

Just a side note the ads pay for the hosting on the Emulation64 Network. No one is really profiting off the news here. I don't think wraggy has seen any of the money off the ads here. If I'm wrong please let me know. :P

[Thisisclay]

Skye: You're wrong, he does. And there is nothing wrong with Wraggster making some money off of his hard work.

Whoever is beating it into everyone's head that it's wrong to have a profitable website is crazy. Nearly every news website out there with a few ads and deceant ammount of traffic is turning a profit, and they are lieing to you if they tell you otherwise.

I work on QJ.net 60-70 hours a week. I'm sure Wraggster puts in a ton of hours too. There is absolutely nothing wrong with earning a hard earned dollar.

[Smiths]

I work on QJ.net 60-70 hours a week. I'm sure Wraggster puts in a ton of hours too. There is absolutely nothing wrong with earning a hard earned dollar.

and yet your posts on that site for 60-70 hours a week typically only concern when your $ite is doing $omething beneficial to .. oh wait.. not the users.

Malum and Frozen do the entire work and currently basically run the site.
But nice to see you put so much time in it.

Sorry, and did you really compare attempting to solely profit off others' projects to punk rockers trying to make a living?

Can't wait for the gardening site...

I say more links to psp-hacks, psp-spot, and ps2nfo as well wraggster... I mean you don't want to sound like a complete hypocrite since you pussied into this.
Might as well go all the way

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edit because you changed your post form QJ to invole me:
Having used to work for IGN along with several other for-profit websites, I cannot see how you compare your homebrew-based download/release site to their 100% commercial ventures.
IGN is visited by countless companies over and over with samples and press kits with the sole purpose being to corporately advertise their wares.
You take people's spare time projects and turn that into a business to solely benefit you.
Don't get me started on Kotaku; if you knew anything about the comparisons you're making you'd know the entire ZD staff in Japan considers them the joke and won't invite them to anything.
But you wouldn't know that... and by the way: ZD means Ziff Davis.

Your "news" reporting posts are nothing more than entire articles lifted from other sites (don't DMCA me; we all know why you do that style.. **** linking to others). The other posts are cheap advertisements for crappy services that benefit you. The remaining posts are peoples' spare time projects released for free at their own will.

Don't you dare try to compare your "network", which will go the way of every other wannabe IGN that has tried, to the actual real businesses out there.

[Kaiser]

So about that big game where the sites duke it out.....(am I the only one who thinks this is a funny/good idea?).

While I agree with most of your arguments Smiths I cannot completely agree about this.

I say more links to psp-hacks, psp-spot, and ps2nfo as well wraggster... I mean you don't want to sound like a complete hypocrite since you pussied into this.

Those sites contain loaders and or links to sites with loaders. No one should ever support them whether it be linking to them. PSPU is one thing but why support that crap? We all know dcemu's stance on that spectrum. As long as PSPU doesn't support those sites dcemu can accept there existence.

[LostJared]

Yes, hopefully everyone in the scene can be grown up enough to stop the scene "infighting" as it is counterproductive and damaging. I think the PSP's homebrew scene is very strong and has much potential. It only stands to benefit the PSP and its homebrew scene if the battling can be ceased. Their have been site admins, coders, developers, forum members etc., who have left the scene or have been turned off by some of the nonsense.

Lets all come together and make the PSP Scene the strongest and fastest growing... :-)

"spinal cracker feet down below his knee, hold in his arms till you can feel his disease, come together right now over me"

"he said 1 & 1 & 1 is 3 got to be good lookin cause hes so hard to C, Come Together, Right now Over Me" - the Beatles

LostSideDead

1 & 1 & 1 = 3

[Mysteryman]

I just went to both..Im just looking for great homebrew but im glad the fighting is over.

[kyus]

Superb guys. and smiths, ps2nfo is no psp news site, it's a site which informs of dodgy underground psp developments. The only time they post something psp related is when it involves something to do with an iso rebuilder, loader, an iso itself or whatever.

I'm sure everyone can admit that they offer nothing constructive to the scene.

dcemu, pspspot, emuholic, pspupdates, psp-hacks and a few others offer downloads, information, news, help and everything a psp user could require. ps2nfo are pirates. they offer only information based on piracy, and granted, they did help me find extreme-mods.com, so I have something to thank them for.

[CoderX]

You know what, Iv seen to much of this junk.
Every PSPsite should have a link to all the other psp site,
none of this blocking out pspupdates stuff, or private excluseive junk.

I Wish to make a Decrea to the HomeBrew Comunity.

HomeBrew Code of CivilLibertys

Artical One:
All psp site are to agnoage the existance of each other
and in responce provide a list of links to all other psp websites
"this includes Sony and GameStop, wether they agree it up to them"

Artical Two:
No more Private Releases
All Homebrew is to berelased to the public, with an atached copy of the sorce code,
no exceptions. Any site hosting private homebrew, will have all homebrew extraced and leaked.

Artical Three
Disscussion of any illegiel meteral is Banned by this treaty, and will be inforced strictly by site administrators
The above include (Any Sony Produced product, or ISO)
Exclusions: ROM's, and Ingame Elements, GamePorts from other systems

I take it apon the comunity to accept the above guidelines as law and to flow them undoutably.

Some thing need to be done, if we dont conslidate sony will win