Ceasefire in the Battle of the PSP Scene

[Smiths]

I am what GF referred to as "blunt".
Many people dislike things stated clear in front of them and then being forced to deal with it.

Sugar-coating is for cookies, not covering up facts of profiteering $#@!s basing a corporate business plan on the works of freelance programmers.

And if you haven't noticed, I typically don't say things to get people to "Join me". In the beginning, when something could have been done, I tried.
Now it's just sad to watch the ignorant flock to the ones who don't care about them.
I get my news from the sources when I want it, and still am active enough in whatever remains of the Japanese scene to have the credibility there.
Credibility with the US scene went out the window ages ago, and no one is shutting said window. They're just trying to caulk it up with brown-nosed $#@!.

At least one thing I and Japanese programmers hope can come from this: P$PU stops tainting the Wiki -- the original source -- with stolen links and credits.
That daily hypocrisy based on the ignorance of other countries was a daily reminder of the fact nothing has or will ever change.
But boy do they put on a good face and make you believe nothing is wrong.

Final test:
Wanna really show support and truce between the sites?
Where's my account and my Premium Membership for being a coder?
Not that I'd ever want it... but aren't we talking about how now everyone respects everyone regardless of opinions?

I'm a walkin' Catch-22

[cdrdj]

I am what GF referred to as "blunt".
Many people dislike things stated clear in front of them and then being forced to deal with it.

Sugar-coating is for cookies, not covering up facts of profiteering $#@!s basing a corporate business plan on the works of freelance programmers.

And if you haven't noticed, I typically don't say things to get people to "Join me". In the beginning, when something could have been done, I tried.
Now it's just sad to watch the ignorant flock to the ones who don't care about them.
I get my news from the sources when I want it, and still am active enough in whatever remains of the Japanese scene to have the credibility there.
Credibility with the US scene went out the window ages ago, and no one is shutting said window. They're just trying to caulk it up with brown-nosed $#@!.

At least one thing I and Japanese programmers hope can come from this: P$PU stops tainting the Wiki -- the original source -- with stolen links and credits.
That daily hypocrisy based on the ignorance of other countries was a daily reminder of the fact nothing has or will ever change.
But boy do they put on a good face and make you believe nothing is wrong.

Final test:
Wanna really show support and truce between the sites?
Where's my account and my Premium Membership for being a coder?
Not that I'd ever want it... but aren't we talking about how now everyone respects everyone regardless of opinions?

I'm a walkin' Catch-22

Again, I really don't care about what you say Smiths. Who said anything about credability? I didn't say anything about your status at all. The issue is still you being "blunt". Just like Jack, calling them $#@!s. How can you expect people to respect your opinion when you just insult.

And the thing that has been bugging me for a while is your whole issue with not getting premium membership. You're bashing the site for not giving it to you? How could they give it to you when you talk about them the way you do and go against them? Did they contact you saying you can't have the free membership they were offering to coders or whatever? What if they were just late? Sure opinions are okay, but when you deny the site of posting your homebrew that everyone should have access to, aren't you being a bit hypocrytical? And if i'm wrong tell me, because all I know are what people are saying about you and what you put in your Read me Texts.

And while i'm talking about the membership thing, what's so wrong about it? You pay for extra service, you don't pay to download homebrew. I don't have membership on their site, but i'm pretty sure I have never payed for anything i've downloaded. You get advantages like no ads or get discounts or whatever. Stuff you don't normally get for free.

Lastly, PLease, explain to me how they taint the wiki. I'm not disagreeing with you here, I just don't understand. Can you show me a link of something tainted or whatever? And saying "everything" won't suffice. Just one specific example is good enough for me to understand their "tainting ways". Anybody?

[Smiths]

And the thing that has been bugging me for a while is your whole issue with not getting premium membership.

Guess I forgot to close the [sarcasm] tags in that section. It's a rib on their "coder friendly hoorah we love the community" thing. **** "Premium"; I wouldn't post on the forums anyway there. You have to literally baby oer half the users.

Stuff you don't normally get for free.

Uhh, when the sole purpose of popping up ads and putting banners everywhere was to entice you to pay them, then yes... something is wrong.
It's far out of the scope of "supporting the servers" with how much was put up there in how short a span of time.

Bottom line: it was done as a corporate tactic to annoy you to the point of hating visiting the site... but then make you go "ooh! I can pay and it all goes away!"
Again, explaining any of this to anyone was futile. See the above re: their forum people.

Lastly, PLease, explain to me how they taint the wiki. I'm not disagreeing with you here, I just don't understand.

considering how much has to be fixed on the wiki to change the URLs to their proper source, the only way to see it is through the logs of the changes.
But since you asked nicely:
Let's check out Jeff Chen's posting 'news' in a release-ONLY wiki. Old news at that.

No? Hmm, how about Lua Player and PMP Mod apparently being released at those news articles... oh wait. they weren't!

(Scroll to the bottom to see the links)

This goes on virtually with every release in the PSP Scene. It's getting annoying for the Wiki'ers to keep having to change the links.
Pretty much common knowledge now if something is posted there from P$PU, a real source of the release must exist, and therefore a little "Search" is executed to find the true author's page/release thread.

*sigh*

Oh and don't think I don't give wraggy $#@! if I see him pulling the same $#@! on the wiki. though to his credit recently it turns out it's been Japanese people adding his URLs on some releases that have other, official pages.
Goes to show you where the credibility still lies over on this side o' the pond.

[Fanjita]

Now theres some cause of concern that should be addressed over at both PSPU and Fanjitas sites, both of your download links, ie fanjitas site and also the file thing over at PSPU dont credit any of the original coders sites or indeed release threads, email releases dont come into it as no one can proove if it was emailed in news or stolen off another site.

Sorry, what's the issue with my site? I'm not sure what you're getting at.

If it's about the links on the 'working homebrew' page, then there are 2 main factors for those being the way they are:

1. In the interests of preserving bandwidth, links to QJ.net are best for me. The format of their URLs is much easier for me to compress : only a few digits change between files. Other URLs typically cost me about 3x as much bandwidth, and that single page accounts for most of my bandwidth usage. I don't have an awful lot of bandwidth, and I have to be very careful to preserve it.

2. For everything else, I just put in the first reliable link I could get hold of. A lot of coders don't tend to maintain download links for previous versions of their code, but for the EBOOT loader the version number can be crucial. So a mirror that's sure to maintain the correct version at a constant URL is in the best interests of my readers.

I don't have a lot of time to go doing investigation on the ultimate source of any particular release - maintaining those links takes a lot of time and isn't my primary focus.
Nonetheless, if anyone wants any link updated, then I'm happy to do so. I never thought there was any issue here, certainly I've never heard any complaints before so this comes as a bit of a surprise.

[wowfan]

considering how much has to be fixed on the wiki to change the URLs to their proper source, the only way to see it is through the logs of the changes.
But since you asked nicely:
Let's check out Jeff Chen's posting 'news' in a release-ONLY wiki. Old news at that.

No? Hmm, how about Lua Player and PMP Mod apparently being released at those news articles... oh wait. they weren't!

(Scroll to the bottom to see the links)

This goes on virtually with every release in the PSP Scene. It's getting annoying for the Wiki'ers to keep having to change the links.
Pretty much common knowledge now if something is posted there from P$PU, a real source of the release must exist, and therefore a little "Search" is executed to find the true author's page/release thread.

*sigh*

Oh and don't think I don't give wraggy $#@! if I see him pulling the same $#@! on the wiki. though to his credit recently it turns out it's been Japanese people adding his URLs on some releases that have other, official pages.
Goes to show you where the credibility still lies over on this side o' the pond.

ok, so first.. i dont know why i was banned earlier. but anyways. i was confused with your last post of 'building a bridge on a swamp' and couldnt respond. back to the subject, which after seeing cdrdj's calm collected argument i probably shouldnt get involved with Jack, so i went to visit the wikis.

the first question, is how do you know jeff chen posted the links there? like you said, the japanese people post link to wraggsters site so why couldn't it have been them doing the same? or are they just assumed? if you have friends to look at ip addresses then please share the ip, otherwise what is your proof? it does sound like a thompson saying imo.

i also noticed that many of those links go to dcemu for releases that were released on qj.net forums, i visit both sites so i know which are released where. its pretty easy to tell. and so you say that the wiki is full of polluted links which are linking to the wrong place, then yes i agree. but im glad to see that the sites are linking each other, great things for the psp scene ahead.

[cdrdj]

Well, thanks a lot for the info. I understand more about what's going on now but i've deceided to just drop it. I got into homebrew a while a go seeing as to how fun the apps were and how friendly and helpfull the people on the scene were. Things like this debate, while informative, kinda feel negative and kinda ruins everything. So Smithy, I apologize if iI have offended and thanks for the feedback. At least we can all agree on something, STOP WAREZ!! It HURTS the SCENE!!

[Smiths]

wow- no need to share. It's a proven fact

After Jeff's little "PSP Wiki shut down by Sony" fraud story, the links being added to QJ by Japanese people basically stopped.
Two highly popular blogs kinda just gave up in supporting any story of theirs, and waited on official pages to be made and updated.

Prolly why Fanjita didn't get as much credit as he deserved with his "exclusive" releases to P$PU.

Anywho, let's just hope all those download links at the New Download site are all updated to have authors' pages.
After all, Fanjita said it's just easier to link there, so let's hope P$PU provides the users of Fanjita's programs the proper abilities to see the authors' pages and/or release threads.

To quote Ma$ter Clay: "The ball's in his court"

[Fanjita]

Prolly why Fanjita didn't get as much credit as he deserved with his "exclusive" releases to P$PU.

Hmm, I don't recall missing out on any credit. Explain?

[wowfan]

wow- no need to share. It's a proven fact

ok.. this is where you make the run around again. first:

where is the fsckin proof? you say its a proven fact and the proof is your word? that holds as much credibility as trying to hold water in your hand. i'm not saying anything about your personal credibility but when trying to proove something to someone else it just doesnt have any weight. to me youre just a guy on the internet, and unless you can bring out some logs of ip addresses and such, then its just another guy on the internet spouting off 'its true! believe my conspiracy theory!'

sorry to be 'blunt' but i still don't see your equating that qj is evil to them 'polluting' the wiki. you also have not addressed links being pointed to dcemu when they were released on qj. furthermore, you have not said anything about the possibility of a japanese posting there. you just say 'its a proven fact' without any proof. you know what? its a proven fact that i have an alien from mars sitting next to me. just take my word on it.

After Jeff's little "PSP Wiki shut down by Sony" fraud story, the links being added to QJ by Japanese people basically stopped.
Two highly popular blogs kinda just gave up in supporting any story of theirs, and waited on official pages to be made and updated.

once again, i remember the story myself. now lets go back to the proof thing, but a shorter version. LINKS please? i dont know japanese but i can use google and can get in touch with a japanese friend to translate. if you will say 'its an understood thing amongst the japanese,' then, as what happened in your last post, it holds about as much weight as a feather.

Prolly why Fanjita didn't get as much credit as he deserved with his "exclusive" releases to P$PU.

lost me on this.. oh wait, no. you're right.. credit wasnt given from here where it was released - on qj. where else wasnt credit given? everyone knew he released it though. lets go back to links - please?

Anywho, let's just hope all those download links at the New Download site are all updated to have authors' pages.
After all, Fanjita said it's just easier to link there, so let's hope P$PU provides the users of Fanjita's programs the proper abilities to see the authors' pages and/or release threads.

i think it should be done myself, and they prolly are working on it. likewise, why attack only qj when so many other psp sites out there do not properly link and give the 'r-e-s-p-e-c-t' to where things are released. you don't have to just be the qj police, there are other sites you can include in your tirade, 'guilty' of such things. but, its your beef, so whatever.

[FrozenIpaq]

Smith and Wraggster,

Is there any law against not providing source links in downloads? If there is it most likely can be found within the DCMA or the USA Copyright Laws (QJ "HQ" is located in USA).

Also, if you wish to attack PSPU for not sourcing in their download section, then blame almost all the other sites that offer PSP downloads in file sections. PSPCrazy doesn't even offer the author's name! DL.QJ provides the authors name and a quick google of the authors name plus the title of the download will most likely bring you to the QJ.net news post or another news post containing the same information.

Here's an example: DL.QJ.net provides this download: Tetris for Firmware 2.60, I then looked at the author (Fanjita) and typed this into google: Fanjita Tetris for Firmware 2.6

So, I don't think sourcing is an issue here unless there is a copyright law that says otherwise (please do tell me if there is!).

Also, it would be nice to see links to the author's website or release thread to check out the latest version, but at the current time that will require many changes to the files and potentially a lot more man-hours for something that won't do much (just be the right thing to do right?)

I'm all for linking to author's website, but you also have to think of the time it will take to do all of that. Would it be suitable for you guys if they just link to the author's website in the new downloads that they upload?

Well, let's just let QJ run their site like they want to and let's have DCEMU run the site like Wraggster wants to. We don't have to be attacking eachother's throats on topics like this.

If you wish to have your voice heard, please contact the site owners and address your complaint. Arguing here will have little affect of what is happening over there. I wish we could put all biased opinions aside and learn to accept each other and their site for what it is.

Smiths..try not to bring up the premium membership topic again...it doesn't work in your defense much