Ceasefire in the Battle of the PSP Scene

[Smiths]

Ipaq:
you're a mod, do the googling for every download and add it. After all, aren't you the "paid" guys?
Clay quoted his 60-70 hours a week on it. I mean don't tell us suddenly you can't be expected to be paid to work?
If you have to add the links now, oh well. Ball in your court. Take your "job" and "earn" your money.

Obviously PSPCrazy has not come right out like Clay has and said it's a business to you guys there. Nor has Wraggster.
P$PU has a whole other set of guidelines to follow with its commercial whoring. IRS, BBB, etc. can all get involved with any discrepencies someone could find.
Copyright material on a site that has areas where money is exchanged? Better check archives.

Just saying, wraggy's little "truce" and the "owning up" has tons more on P$PU's part than over on this side of the fire.


Fanjita - I meant simply the Japanese blogs kinda didn't give a crap about it, unfortunately. Big news was still Monster Hunter being playable on 1.5
Grains of salt...

Oh, and wowfan... got nothing to prove to ya. The "Wiki shut down" thing got you guys (yes, we know you're not just 'some fan') some nice critique at Enpi's and the other Ameblos, among other places.
But it was hilarious to see an American site make up a story about a Japanese shutdown.
And to play it off after being disproved with a follow-up story on P$PU that referenced the "after Sony's shutdown of the Wiki site"... man that was classic.

So, guy$... I think it is only right to say that instead of telling the people who visit your bu$ine$$ to "google it", you should get to work.
Lotta archives of whoring to cover there...

[wowfan]

Ipaq:

Oh, and wowfan... got nothing to prove to ya. The "Wiki shut down" thing got you guys (yes, we know you're not just 'some fan') some nice critique at Enpi's and the other Ameblos, among other places.
But it was hilarious to see an American site make up a story about a Japanese shutdown.
And to play it off after being disproved with a follow-up story on P$PU that referenced the "after Sony's shutdown of the Wiki site"... man that was classic.

if you have no proof, then why have you made so many posts, citing the foul attrocities that the qj guys are at fault for -- and yet lack links in your response?

after my whole reply to your post, i get what, a subject change and still no links? show me the links man.. show me the Enpi and Ameblo (sites?) links please. thats all i asked for before, and proof it was indeed a guy at qj posting links on the wiki. look above for the response on 'proof.'

you say you have nothing to prove to me, ok, but it would definitely help to backup your case to everyone else reading this thread. so far its one guys jack thompson-style allegations -- backed up with no proof. thats all i was asking for, but i will take your response as 'uhhh.. proof? well, just trust me.'

as for wowfan, i play world of warcraft (WoW), and guess what? im a fan of it.

[FrozenIpaq]

Smiths: Forum Moderator/Assistant Admin, yes.....site manager...no

I do this purely as volunteer work (I don't get paid) and I'm not aware of anyway I can contribute to the site other than moderating the forums (all other parts or highly restricted). If I could easily handle the links, then I would do it, but I just simply can't.

Also, the paid staff may be able to do it if they have the time, but as of right now they are aiming to transition all of the blogs to the new QJ layout and work out their CMS, so things are prioritized. I'm sure that if they see this and see that it is valid enough, that they may likely add the websites of the authors (if possible).

Smiths..you seem to be the only one rasing this issue...majority rules in democracy and is the basis for many decisions that have been made. If there are not enough supporters of an idea, then it may not pass

[Thisisclay]

Hey Wragg, we got to a solid conclusion on all of these issues a few pages back. Now it is just Smiths' usual regurgitation vs. everyone else. Let's close this thread on a good note, I see it going nowhere but downhill from here.

Bah, screwit, now that I'm already replying, I'll state my last comments on this topic:

Smiths, as soon as we fix the "website" text entry field auto population in our uploader tool (which quite frankly is low priority as we are in the middle of launching a new CMS) -- but after that, if you want to go through the thousands and thousands of files on our download site and manually enter author websites, be my guest. I'll set you up with a login to our back end myself.

But know this: The author's websites fields are not purposly omitted from our download site. They were just never ADDED as I was manually moving over thousands of files from our old files software to our new one. Simply moving the files over took 6 days working on it 6-8 hours a day.

By the way, no one else is complaining about this Smiths, only YOU. If an author comes to me and asks for their link to be added there, I will be more than willing to accomodate them by entering it manually, BUT I HAVE NEVER, EVER HAD *ONE* AUTHOR COME AND ASK FOR THIS.

*YOU* are the only one who cares, and as far as I remember, you for all your claimed "leet coding skillz" I can't remember anything you have ever contributed to the homebrew community besides a bunch of name dropping of Japanese developers, and a bunch of mindless blather that you spew over everyone constantly.

Get over yourself. We source every author in every news article we write.

[Smiths]

*YOU* are the only one who cares, and as far as I remember, you for all your claimed "leet coding skillz" I can't remember anything you have ever contributed to the homebrew community besides a bunch of name dropping of Japanese developers, and a bunch of mindless blather that you spew over everyone constantly.

Get over yourself. We source every author in every news article we write.

I'm just playing the whole "you've turned around to be proper so here's what proper do"
Even if I'm the only one mentioning it... it is being mentioned and technically it's a proper thing to do

Oh and you're right... I've never coded anything for the PSP except contributions to NeoCD, RIN, NesterJ, etc. etc. etc....
And you.. you've uhhh coded..... uhh... wait... what?

Nice ignorance, I love to just have you come out and prove you still have no ****ing clue what you're doing in a homebrew community.

[FrozenIpaq]

I'm just playing the whole "you've turned around to be proper so here's what proper do"
Even if I'm the only one mentioning it... it is being mentioned and technically it's a proper thing to do

Oh and you're right... I've never coded anything for the PSP except contributions to NeoCD, RIN, NesterJ, etc. etc. etc....
And you.. you've uhhh coded..... uhh... wait... what?

Nice ignorance, I love to just have you come out and prove you still have no ****ing clue what you're doing in a homebrew community.

Smiths, those are all emulators..have you ever thought of coding something else...like an actual game? Emulators are great and all, but emulators are usually the first to make it onto a homebrew-enabled device, no matter what Homebrew Games on the other hand require a dedicated developer and that is where the true attention is brought to (those who code everything by hand for the PSP specially)

Smiths, it's nice and all that you have helped with the coding of the emulators, but why not try helping the scene by making peace with those that try to support the scene. Smiths, it would also have been nice if you actually allowed PSPU to post some of your releases, but instead you insisted that they didn't (Please correct me if this was someone else and not you, my memory is pretty vague).

I try to contribute to the scene (I have no coding skills, even though I wish I had some...just can't find time with busy schedules) by beta testing programs, supporting new developers, suggesting improvements and keeping the QJ fourms clean from vermin.

Smiths, I admire you for the fact that you have contributed a lot for the PSP's emulation and have further advanced the capabilites of the PSP, but I would've liked to see some attempt to resolve situations peacefully and offer solutions that will benefit both sides of the discussion. Just try to act like the more "mature" one and solve this problem and not flame/call another person ignorant..I hate it when people do that

PS: If this in anyway infuriates you or that I'm missinformed, please correctly inform me, I have not followed you long, just have seen you on these forums and seen your generous contributions to the emulation on the PSP.


One more thing on the author's website:

If it is the proper thing to do, then why hasn't file planet or many other major download sites do this?

Here's a link to the Timeshift Demo provided on fileplanet: http://www.fileplanet.com/160288/160...TimeShift-Demo

It says it is made by Atari..but doesn't give a link to Atari's site. Sure it may be the proper thing to do, and once it is easily doable, QJ may do it...but right now the arguement just seems like the only argument you could find to attack the site

Yes, I realize homebrew is a different matter, but it is the same general concept is it not?

Well, let's not complain about the website of the authors in the donwload section..that is something that the QJ admins will handle if they feel it is necessary, let us now continue to appreciate the recent Ceasefire in the PSP Scene and make it true

[Smiths]

Frozen - you supported my idea of updating download links in the file archive to have original threads and pages for the authors.

Clay shot it down as being a "you ONLY" thing.

There's a resolution. I can see I got nothing against you, Frozen. I figured they'd be paying your ass by now considering how much work you put into the site.
As for programming, I'm done with it for a while now. I only pick it up if something interests me, and back then I was interested in improving those emulators.

It's just funny to see Clay come out saying I've done no programming at all.
Despite the fact he's also apparently pro-supporting PSMonkey's idea which includes "acknowledge all programmers from homebrew game authors to LUA Script writers. they are all contributors"

Good ol' egg-faced Clay; that never gets old.

[FrozenIpaq]

Frozen - you supported my idea of updating download links in the file archive to have original threads and pages for the authors.

Clay shot it down as being a "you ONLY" thing.

There's a resolution. I can see I got nothing against you, Frozen. I figured they'd be paying your ass by now considering how much work you put into the site.
As for programming, I'm done with it for a while now. I only pick it up if something interests me, and back then I was interested in improving those emulators.

It's just funny to see Clay come out saying I've done no programming at all.
Despite the fact he's also apparently pro-supporting PSMonkey's idea which includes "acknowledge all programmers from homebrew game authors to LUA Script writers. they are all contributors"

Good ol' egg-faced Clay; that never gets old.

Actually, I have had a slight change in opinion after reading everything. It may be the proper thing to do in the eyes of the authors, but in reality...it just doesn't work that way. We would all like to see people get along because it is the proper thing to do, but no matter how hard we try..we just can't accomplish that.

I think homebrew author's sites should be credited in the furture just for reference reasons, not for creditting reasons which seems like you are aiming at.

Smiths...can you honestly expect someone with a job that takes up most of his life to be up-to-date on homebrew with the PSP? If you haven't noticed MaluEnSe has done a majority of the news posts and he is very informed with the scene.

You can't go home and expect a news broadcaster (tv news) to remember the name of someone they just heard about, can you? The same case goes for Clay I guess...He's a good man, he deserves to be treated well as he treats others well (unless he is missinformed on a topic, then just correct him nicely :P )

[Thisisclay]

Frozen, no matter how much you try to talk sense to this guy, he'll always find something to freak out about. He hates PSP Updates, and if we for some reason decided to do every single thing he wanted he would still hate us. Scratch that. He doesn't hate the site, he hates me and my goals and aspirations with QJ.NET.

But he'll have to either get over it or just continue hating it, but either way he'll continue to be unhappy, finding tidbits to nikpick at. We're not doing anything immoral or wrong in any way, so nothing is going to change.

There is a poisonous way of thinking that for some reason or another infects many people's heads, predominantly younger people who are unable or unwilling to work hard to succeed in life. Therefore, jealousy and resentment brew up, and they hate anyone and anything who is successful or makes any money whatsoever. These are the people who say the word "corporation" as if it is a swear word, or an insult.

A writer named Ayn Rand details this type of thinking very well in an extremely popular book called Atlas Shrugged. Anyone reading this post should pick it up, it's a great read. The overal gist is: There will always be people who will hate you for becoming successful by working hard at something you love. That is what I am doing, and thats why Smiths will always find something to hate me for.

He'll ridicule this post, of course, telling me that I don't know anything about him, how can I label him as this type of person? But I've seen this thought process many times, and know it well.

That's fine, Smiths opinion is his to have and voice, but you aren't going to change it or make peace with him, so it's futile to try. I'm sure Smiths firmly and truly believes what he says, and he stands up for it, so that is admirable in a sense. Hell, I'm sure he's even a pretty nice guy. But I gave up trying to reason with him a long time ago, and I'm not sure why I made the post I did above. I guess after all this time he can still get under my skin from time to time =)

[FrozenIpaq]

Yeah Clay, keep up the good work and become successful! I might pick that book up soon, sounds like an interesting read as I find that with popularity comes hatred from others, whether it be of jealous nature or competitive nature.

Well, Wraggster, keep up your site and Clay...keep up yours and we shall all be fine and dandy. We don't need these interuptions of time of acceptance, that just worsens the scenerio.

Clay, your above posts were very helpful to this discussion and were the most "intelligent" of them, even better than mine So I don't see any reason why you shouldn't have posted them. They helped out and we appreciate the fact that you came in here to discuss this matter in person, that shows a lot about a site owner.