Dont Ruin the Homebrew Scene With Shady Goings On

[wraggster]

For a while certain actions in this scene have annoyed me and others, if its not sites trying to buy out the competition its the buying off of coders, recently we have seen certain "exclusive releases" where even when the release was posted on the official site we had several people crying that the link should go to the site that had the supposed exclusive. Now this buisness of Buying Off Coders is really bad for homebrew in general. Dirty tactics seem to be rife in the PSP scene, i personally would rather link every release to an actual site then we all know that the coder gets the praise rather than sites getting it.

Lets put an end to the Bullcrap, i dont need to name names but it needs to stop your only ruining it for everyone.

[Elsid]

and so it begins...

[yellowbrowntwo]

< sarcarsm>
You are so right Wraggster, you're totally right. It's got to stop. The "scene" is totally ruined. Chaos rains down upon us as our homebrew becomes commercialized by evil corporate conglomerates who do nothing but make users pay for homebrew against their will.
< /sarcasm>

[MalumEnSe]

So apparently, a developer has no decision on whether or not something is an "exclusive release"? Has no right to do with their program what they please? Only if it comforms to your rules and standards of releasing? Didn't know you were the boss of everyone in the "homebrew scene," but now that I know, I'll keep that in mind.

But of course, its okay to claim "exclusivity" on a homebrew release if you provide webspace for the developer. Because that's totally different from providing official forum hosting or having programs uploaded to and released on a forum.

[bullhead]

Clever swine's? are you sure you know the full story?

[yellowbrowntwo]

Clever swine's? are you sure you know the full story?

As the owner of PSPupdates.qj.net i'm pretty sure I know the full story, yes =)

Wraggster is referring to the PSPKick release, which was released exclusively through my site. The release notes and the actual file download were ONLY available on my site, yet Wraggster didn't source me.

When I had a conversation with Nathan Wray (the developer of PSPKick) about this... well, just see for yourself:

02:15] Clay: wraggster's at it again
[02:15] Nathan Wray (pspkick): ?
[02:15] Clay: (Link: http://www.dcemu.co.uk/vbulletin/sho...d.php?p=102033
[02:16] Clay: "PSP Kick has been updated to v3 their Drum Machine and More, heres whats new:"
[02:16] Clay: with link to pspkick.com
[02:16] Clay: no sourcing PSPU
[02:17] Nathan Wray (pspkick): ahhhhh
[02:17] Nathan Wray (pspkick): rat *******
[02:17] Clay: heh
[02:17] Nathan Wray (pspkick): $#@!
[02:17] Clay: i've been through this a hundred times with them =)
[02:18] Clay: usually it takes the developer stepping in, but i wont ask you to do that - i'm just happy to see the download numbers going up and all the positive feedback
[02:19] Nathan Wray (pspkick): I will do whatever...


^^ From the above conversation, it is obvious that the developer was upset that the "home" he chose for his hard work was blatantly ignored due to Wraggster's unwillingness to source a competitive website.

For those of you who don't know, Wraggster and I have a rocky past, which was recently ammended and a truce was called (read the whole thread). PSP Updates has properly sourced every piece of homebrew or information that came from DCEMU since then, but lately Wraggster has been back to his usual tactics of not sourcing properly to try to gain traffic.

I'm not there to start a rant or a flame war, just to present the facts. So, I'll probably not reply again to this topic.

Wraggster, as far as I can tell, the truce is over. I truly from the bottom of my heart hope that you see (from this chatlog which I have already pasted to you on MSN) that you were in the wrong in this situation, and ammend it.

I would love to continue our truce, but it doesn't appear that that is going to happen.

EDIT: And to your accusation of buying off coders, I didn't pay Nathan a dime. He released through me because I've always given his previous releases a big hype and hurrah, and he has had the most downloads from my site. It's loyalty.

[Darksaviour69]

i don't see what the problem is, wraggs linked to the offical site, you do the same with, say psmonkey, you never post anything about dcemu, just link to "PSmonkey's Dev Blog"

the offical site links to you, pspu so whats the problem. its doing the same as how you newspost ( actuallly some times you don't link at all, like in this news post here


now, i don't really follow the psp that close, but it seems that there are a few dirty tricks going on... and tust me it is not good for the scene. The psp is not the first homebrew scene, and many have been tore apart with less fighting. i suggest that all partys think about whats good for the future of the scene

[wraggster]

Lets be adults here and stop this using of cash to get coders to release on your forums for exclusive rights, i will still link to sites or forum posts but preferably sites, i dont think any truce has gone but the $#@! must stop.

wraggy remembers PSPadvance :P

you know what your doing and not just you but other certain webmasters using the psp scene purely for iso releases etc.

[wraggster]

Heres a link where you didnt source and weeks before pspkick

http://pspupdates.qj.net/index.php?pg=49&aid=11095

hmm

[kfish2oo2]

OK your both acting like 4 year olds with toothache. Honestly, I visit both sites very often because both are good, informative and active. Really and truly, I prefer sites which have all, yes ALL, homebrew releases collected together in ONE place. I hate having to sit down on my old Dial up modem and load 50 freakin websites just to find the update to XXXXXXX which I got so many weeks ago.

If a developer decides to load exclusivley to any site, he is perfectly reasonable to expect that to happen. Its nice to go to your favourite site and see that lad which you and the other regulars helped so much has just EXCLUSIVLEY uploaded to to your site. But its not nice to see webmasters fight over bragging rites. As long as the release is exclusive for a little while, the developer should be happy, and as long as other webmasters show respect where its due, the webmasters should be happy. A single line saying "Originaly Uploaded exclusivley at www.xxxxx.com" is not really that much to ask for is it?