On the topic of PSIX...

[wraggster]

Oopo admin of PS2Dev posted this in a forum post:

<blockquote>http://psixonline.com/pdr.html

Quote:
Through the process of psix's conception, realisation and progression, it became clear to me that there was little in the way of development support, due to the closed doors on psp development as far as sony were concerned.

The site ps2dev.org is now known the world over for it's assistance to developers in that of the development of the PSP SDK and various other tools, libraries and resources.
It is with this in mind that i start the PDR project, basically with my share of psix pro membership sales (35%), all of it will go back into the psp community, in the form of books, software and when needed, hardware.

How much i end up with, to put back into the psp community is anyones guess, however i
will do my best to provide resources to as many developers as possible.

So, does anyone else appreciate this guy:

1) Charging $10/head for a shell replacement built on our tools.
2) Invoking the 'ps2dev.org' name to help sell it.
3) Never approaching us for permission or even offering any funds?

I certainly don't. How about you?</blockquote>

[Wally]

I dont either Wraggster..

Why have homebrew if someone is gunna charge us for it.

There are already better freeware products than PSIX and he will just USE those people and borrow their code to make his shell better

[felonyr301]

stuff like these shouldnt be charged for period..

[chickenclaws]

This is one of the many reasons sony dont want homebrew cuz damn idiots like these useing there product to make a livin tsk.tsk..tsk that funked up!

[chickenclaws]

his shell was always $#@! i always like psp oss and Arittlary better

[wraggster]

that pspadvance was as dodgy as they come too

[chickenclaws]

whoa lol dont get started know lol

[grin.ch]

ppl, maybe a little recognition should be given, but maybe not. (I didn't know that about Psix using PSPSDK), but it's the sickest homebrew out there and it's worth the $10. No one can touch this projeKt with anything they've put forth. So now someone wants to complain because of the success (granted, there have been ups and downs as with any release) of one projeKt created out of something which was free to begin with? Don't offer something for free if you really want something in return. Psix had the innovative idea to charge a nominal fee for their produKt and some of it may go back to PSP community, but I would guess they are college students who need extra money anyway. If this were a industry giant, they might not charge, but who cares all that much? Damn.

Psix has pioneered the way OSSs should run. What about PSP-OSS and the others? They just copy Psix anyway... And I had been looking for an OSS to get rid of the monotony of the XMB; this is the one. IMHO, Psix is the s**t and the forums provide a nice environment where everyone is supportive of each other. Everytime I have asked for help, someone (the devs or otherwise have been there to help, no joke).

So the next time someone from PS2dev wants to complain about not getting anything in return, don't offer something for nothing. At the most, maybe a "Thanks" could be in order, but no one owes PS2dev anything. They've made programming easier... So what someone else would've done it if they didn't. There are always other hackers. And PS2dev mentions the fact that this produKt was release w/o their permission? Even mentioning the name PS2dev in their release was basically a way of giving them props anyway.

PS2dev needs to chill out or start charging for their progs.

Peace,
grin.ch

[idapimp]

i do like the way psix is...but at the same time i would never pay for it...but i cant say its wrong to charge a little bit for your hard work. coding that kind of stuff definately isnt easy and takes a long time...if you dont want to pay for it then dont get it, there are other alternatives out there. and as far as this being part of the reason sony is killing homebrew...i strongly doubt it. sony wants to kill homebrew because being able to play downloaded iso's (damn you people who do) is really hurting their sales in a way you couldnt imagine.

[Posty]

ppl, maybe a little recognition should be given, but maybe not. (I didn't know that about Psix using PSPSDK), but it's the sickest homebrew out there and it's worth the $10. No one can touch this projeKt with anything they've put forth. So now someone wants to complain because of the success (granted, there have been ups and downs as with any release) of one projeKt created out of something which was free to begin with? Don't offer something for free if you really want something in return. Psix had the innovative idea to charge a nominal fee for their produKt and some of it may go back to PSP community, but I would guess they are college students who need extra money anyway. If this were a industry giant, they might not charge, but who cares all that much? Damn.

Psix has pioneered the way OSSs should run. What about PSP-OSS and the others? They just copy Psix anyway... And I had been looking for an OSS to get rid of the monotony of the XMB; this is the one. IMHO, Psix is the s**t and the forums provide a nice environment where everyone is supportive of each other. Everytime I have asked for help, someone (the devs or otherwise have been there to help, no joke).

So the next time someone from PS2dev wants to complain about not getting anything in return, don't offer something for nothing. At the most, maybe a "Thanks" could be in order, but no one owes PS2dev anything. They've made programming easier... So what someone else would've done it if they didn't. There are always other hackers. And PS2dev mentions the fact that this produKt was release w/o their permission? Even mentioning the name PS2dev in their release was basically a way of giving them props anyway.

PS2dev needs to chill out or start charging for their progs.

Peace,
grin.ch

I'm sorry, but at PSP-OSS, we never 'copied' PSIX in any way. PSP-OSS started development before fluff even announced that PSIX was on its way back. elz started up the project as a replacement for the XMB, not as a 'PSIX copycat' as you wish to say. And how has PSIX 'pioneered' the way for other shells? To my knowledge, PSP-OSS, Artillery Shell, and some others have accomplished what PSIX has not, and before PSIX was even released.

On a side note, do you even know what 'OSS' refers to? It refers to being an OPEN SOURCE SHELL. Stop refering to PSIX as open source, it isn't. PSIX is simply a shell, not an OSS, so don't refer to it in that fashion.

Now this is my own personal opinion on the topic, and not the voice of the PSP-OSS team, so don't argue at them for what I'm about to post:

Personally, I think that it's a disgrace to the homebrew community to force someone to pay for a 'full version' of a shell. Homebrew has always been free, and that's the way it should stay. To make people pay for an application that doesn't even run correctly on most PSPs today, firmwares 2.0 and up, is another reason I don't support PSIX. Most games that are coming out require 2.5 or 2.6, and to my knowledge, there aren't any games that run 100% correctly on 1.5 via RunUMD. The second the people decide to upgrade to a higher firmware version in order to play every game that is coming out, they've just wasted $10 on something they'll never use again. Simply put, I don't support fluff or PSIX in any way.