On the topic of PSIX...

[grin.ch]

maybe not an OSS (yes, I know what that stands for, but I'm not a dev, so I guess I misinterpreted the definition) but it DID pioneer the way for OSs in the particular fashion that it's programmed in. Psix is THE complete shell. It's a shell you never have to leave and when exiting a homebrew, you are brought right back to the shell's desktop. Something your OSS doesn't even offer. You have to restart it everytime. Everyone of the others (including yours) don't even support fully functioning options. To play music in your shell, you have to dump all of your music in one messy folder. And as far as YOUR support goes, I tried emailing blue, who in turn, never got back to me. I don't know what you guys offer for support but that, atleast, is not appealing.

a/f/a posting a comment of which you don't support the content, why post it?

[Posty]

maybe not an OSS (yes, I know what that stands for, but I'm not a dev, so I guess I misinterpreted the definition) but it DID pioneer the way for OSs in the particular fashion that it's programmed in. Psix is THE complete shell. It's a shell you never have to leave and when exiting a homebrew, you are brought right back to the shell's desktop. Something your OSS doesn't even offer. You have to restart it everytime. Everyone of the others (including yours) don't even support fully functioning options. To play music in your shell, you have to dump all of your music in one messy folder. And as far as YOUR support goes, I tried emailing blue, who in turn, never got back to me. I don't know what you guys offer for support but that, atleast, is not appealing.

a/f/a posting a comment of which you don't support the content, why post it?

You obviously haven't used PSP-OSS. PSP-OSS DOES bring you back to OSS when you exit homebrew as well as UMDs. As far as music goes, it has to go in the PSP\MUSIC folder, as music normally does. Then it can be browsed from either the file manager, or from the start menu, where OSS makes a list of all available songs. For support, I can't speak on behalf of other members' habits for checking their e-mail.

And I posted the comment, because it relates to the discussion topic. As far as I'm concerned, that's what you're supposed to do on a forum, is it not? Part of the topic is based on the response from a PS2dev admin, which argues how PSIX shouldn't be supported. I elaborated on that subject, and gave my own opinion. Since when is staying on topic wrong?

[grin.ch]

oh I never said it was wrong, but IMO, if you're going to post something, don't be on the fence about it. You could cause a situation for yourself to the effect of having to make a decision on which you're not prepared to make. and a/f/a blue's email, that's a direct reflection on your support. So b/c you decided to play the "It's not my fault" game, your prog looks worse. You should be willing to pick up the slack and at least apologize. It's cool, though. I'm not bent about it or anything. my bad about psp-oss. I forgot it did that. I was wrong.

[Cap'n 1time]

Charging money for homebrew software, that is software that is PROUD OF BEING FREE AND OPEN TO EVERYONE is just hypocritical. Ive never really like the PSIX people. The moment they announced this horse crap I was against it. PSP-OSS is a fine bit of software. I THINK using the open source, free psp-sdk is actually a violation of the law (though you shouldnt quote me on that). I believe that mr.brown and/or whoever is involved could press charges if they felt like it. just like pspupdates.. these people need to get real jobs and stop using brilliant peoples freely available work for their own benefit.

And it is my opinion that psp-oss is a better peice of software anyway.

[grin.ch]

nahhhhhhh

[b8a]

Wow, it's great to hear PS2Dev (ooPo) finally weighing in on this issue. There was a lot of speculation previously and I think that that position has now been clearly defined.

As for making cash on it I generally don't care, although I would like to see some trickle down to the less financially fortunate of the ps2dev.org group of core developers. I am not one of these and do not need donations. I do this for my own entertainment and share freely with anyone else willing to put effort into learning.

The thing that really bothers me is the mention of grand gestures of returning to the community in any form, funds or not, but nobody has even heard a peep about this actually happening. If you're going to make money on it - please do so. The license allows you that right with no legal requirements whatsoever. But do not ever pretend that you're supporting the community.

A lot of the core developers are professional programmers. WELL PAID professional programmers that maintain the project as a hobby, so any contention that they were being shafted by not recieving a cut has always been a murky area. Yeah, they are being shafted, but it's not like they can't afford to pay rent AND continue their work on the SDK.

I personally don't support what Fluff is doing. If devs need financial support, I absolutely support their decision to turn to the community to fulfill that support, but Fluff has shown us time and time again that he/she/it is more interested in making excuses for the fees then in simply fessing up to what we all know the fees are actually for. I think the second part of ooPo's statement above sums up my position perfectly. This wouldn't be such a big issue if Fluff didn't keep trying to justify their actions with rediculous spin and grandiose statements. For goodness sakes, it reminds me of catching a four year old with a stolen cookie in their hand and having them deny to the end that they stole it. Fluff has clearly found a community of people that supports the actions he/she/it has taken, and I think that Fluff should save their excuses for that community and stop trying to persuade the rest of us to buy into them.

[zx-81]

@b8a: a very good sum up, i totally agree with you

[quzar]

Some of you people should be ashamed. Have you no sense of how difficult development can be? How much time can be put into it? This isn't some sort of requisite service to you all, it is out of the goodness of our hearts that homebrew coders do what they do and you all take it for granted. It's like whining and complaining that all books should be free, because they don't inheirently have costs that lead to the creation of their intellectual property. If an author, any author, wants to charge for their work, then it is up to them to make the decision.

The legality of such a thing and the standing of the author in terms of ownership of the product of course must be tested, but I see most responses state firstly that homebrew should be free. With only free homebrew, we wouldn't have half the software companies that exist now that started when enterprising kids wrote and sold their own games for the spectrum, bbc, and c64.

Also, wraggster, can you make it more clear what is a quote by putting the quoted section in a quote box? It's often very difficult to tell where the news post ends and your commentary (if any) begins.

[chickenclaws]

Well that should an automatic not to charge for homebrew hence the name HOMEBREW!!
no comercail

[neovlace]

It's people like this that cause companies like Sony to only laugh in the faces of homebrew developers, while releasing the next firmware update that blocks all attempts to code on it. Kinda reminds me of Microshaft.....