Sonys playing dirty pool

[Apoklepz]

Ummmmmm who said it would be an emu it could be just bootable ISOs on the PSP.

Yeah, I too thought about this... The ISOS or PSone games might just be recompiled to a new format by SONY. A new format that only upcoming firmwares will understand and run.

In case they do release a PSone amulator within the future firmware it will only be a matter of time till someone can hack the firmware and extract the emulator...not an easy task at all, too.

I read some details about this supposed PSone "emulator" by Sony and the source (sorry don't remember) said that Sony will sell some kind of card (MS stick?) compatible with the PSP for $50+ wherein this card will be the only support for the games/isos/roms or whatever format they will be in...So I guess anyone who wants this will either have to wait a long time for a hack or just plain upgrade.

BTW... I've been saying SCREW SONY since they made the PSP non-homebrew with their stupid security patches & firmware.

...1.50 till death, baby!

[rock_light]

woot! I knew Sony bought VGS for a reason!

Yeah sony would be stupid to make a direct emulator that loads games. We all know how impractical that would be due to compatibility issues and all that.

No Warez are not hurting the scene in any way. That only the uneducated dreamers believe this. There is NO affordable way to copy umds.
Their are almost as many PSPs over 2.01 out there as originals. (Just wait till the price drop)

Copying ISOs to your MEM stick is impractical buggy and there's plenty of games that are just worth buying instead or just dont work with f/w emu . And
trust me the people that really care will buy another PSP or Upgrade.

(I'd buy another PSP cuz untill an internal MOD or Unofficial UMD comes out 1.5 will be worth more than the Cheaper 3.0)

Anyways now that you can DL games we will probobly see online downloadable installs for games smaller in size. We'll most likely see some more popular franchizes out there first too.

As for my main point. Hey anyone remember when Sony bought out the most impressive clean, easy to use, professional emu to ever hit the scene?

Yeah I'm talking about 'Connectix' Virtual Game Station!

We only saw one update for the emulator before sony shut it down! Back when PSX was still selling games.

Thats right they bought it. They didn't twist any laws around to try and throw them in jail. No suing.
They did legal business payed Connectix to stop production and sell them the source code.

One of the most impressive things about VGS is it did NOT require sony bios to run.

Wonder if sony will use any of this code in their PSX ports for PSP. (Hmmmm...)

Anyways yeah warez. Pfff whatever.
(All my projects are opensource anyways. Game projects should be fun, f**** to profit)

As for warez laws I have about as much respect for them as I do drug patents so I'll just try not to talk about my thoughts on it as much as possible here.

=]

*Oh yeah. Pirates out there may be familiar with the sega smash pack. You've seen what that game can really do. Maybe the same idea can be applied here too.

[F9zDark]

as demonstrated by the Pre-E3 demo by SCE, the PS1 demos on PSP boot straight to the game after download (although it's possible that there will be an option outside of the boot menu before the game starts.)

http://www.dcemu.co.uk/vbulletin/sho...threadid=24451

There is all the information you need...


From that article it can be construed that the PS1 is indeed an emulator. To make the emulator survive from a business standpoint Sony would have to release 1000s of games, from all genres to get people interested in buying PS1 games for the PSP.

Now imagine having to go in, rewrite and test every PS1 game that is ported to PSP. It just isn't possible, not when an emulator is the most cost effective way (since 1 simple line of code can make 100 games more compatible with it).

And given the information in that article, "when you go to controller options, you see the ancient PS1 white controller, pre-DualShock"

Obviously a port would have removed that and replaced it with a PSP (since why not, if the developers are already making said PS1 game ported to the PSP, how hard is it to just change 1 JPEG and a few variables dealing with controller layout?)

Having vestages of the PS1 interface proves that the games are merely emulated...

[vettacossx]

SHADOW WHAT AN AWSOME TOPIC GOOD LOOK BRO!!!

Next you'll be telling us Sony killed JFK and Elvis.

carfull that mo-fo shadow is crazy as hell...and he told me he had a shiny new wiffle bat.....and its a brandished and ready to take the sand out of your vagina!!!!
lmao

i hope they do port them.....if we could port ISO to psp 2.7 that prooves a concept....maybe those lying halo umd porter *******s,,,,.....arent lying *******s after all!!!

if sony can port a ps1 ISO whats to stop us from LEARNING from these ports and making our own

after all halo was a PC game as well and we have ported QUAKE!!,DOOM, this is only the begining of psp homebrew look at the dreamcast still making gr8 homebrew today....talk about replay value!!!!!!!!!!

[AcerVentura]

http://www.dcemu.co.uk/vbulletin/sho...threadid=24451

There is all the information you need...


From that article it can be construed that the PS1 is indeed an emulator. To make the emulator survive from a business standpoint Sony would have to release 1000s of games, from all genres to get people interested in buying PS1 games for the PSP.

Who said anything about 1000s of games? Not Sony. I'm betting they'll have about 100 downloadable titles by summer 2008.

If they have an emulator that runs all PS1 titles, then why are they only showing RidgeRacer at E3??

LIKE PSP NEEDS ANOTHER DRIVING GAME...

[AcerVentura]

if sony can port a ps1 ISO whats to stop us from LEARNING from these ports and making our own

Last time I checked you need access to the Source Code in order to do a port.

We have access to Quake source. Only Sony has access to PSX sources.

[bah]

Why is this on the front page? Sonys patents and trademarks to the PS1 are still valid now, before a PSP PS1 emulator exitsts.

There is no relation between the 2.

I'm Guessing the emulator will be similar to bleem!, with a similar, but optimised to the specific game, emulator being bundled in with the data of the original game for each 'rom' you download from them.

Its all just conjecture for the moment, chill Shadow (and here I thaught you saw the world through rose coloured glasses

[F9zDark]

Who said anything about 1000s of games? Not Sony. I'm betting they'll have about 100 downloadable titles by summer 2008.

If they have an emulator that runs all PS1 titles, then why are they only showing RidgeRacer at E3??

LIKE PSP NEEDS ANOTHER DRIVING GAME...

Looking at it from a business standpoint, for the emulator to survive there will need to be two things:

1)Substantial game base to cater to the sweeping desires of the PSP audience. 100 games might work for launch, but there would need to be a great deal more than that released later on to make their efforts profitable.

2)Ease of interoperability. More time spent making the games work = less profits. Obviously Sony is taking the emulation route since it offers the least amount of work for the most profits compared to porting every title they plan on releasing.

Considering the amount of games that PS1 has in Japan that we don't have in America, I think there being 1000 titles worldwide for this emulator is not a far cry from the truth.

[craig588]

This means every FPS game after Wolf 3D is illegal too! Every smooth scrolling platformer after Mario! (Nintendo actually did try to sue about that IIRC, but they lost)

You can copywright the implementation, but you can't copywrite the idea of an emulator. Hence, almost all Xbox homebrew is illegal because it's made using a stolen SDK, but unless Sony makes a mistake and someone leaks the source to their emulator all homebrewed PSP PSX emulators will be legal.

[F9zDark]

if sony can port a ps1 ISO whats to stop us from LEARNING from these ports and making our own

Why do people assume that the PS1 games will be ISOs? They clearly wont be!

Sony will obviously release the games in a format that the PSP and Emulator can read, probably encrypted with AES so that we cannot mess with them and expect them to still work afterwards.

Trust me, Sony is not just going to willingly hand us ISOs of their PS1 games...