Sony: We want PS3 to be like the ipod

**horacehogarth** · June 20th, 2006, 11:07

Originally Posted by deftonesmx17

I already gave you the facts. The facts about the faulty lasers in the PS2's(which you said was a myth). The fact that it became such a problem that the courts ruled against $ony. Meaning it wasnt in the average 3-5% of all units might be faulty range.

Oh and just to add, 100 million shipped, not sold. Everytime you read about numbers of $ony units, its always in shipped and not sold. Thus meaning a replacement console that was shipped by $ony to a person does add to that number. So you have each and every (free of charge) replacement unit and ones people have bought themselves add to that over 100 million units shipped number.

Just some extra FYI; not sure if you grasped this or not, but I was never denying that the PS2 was the most popular console in history(it was so great that I even bought three).............unlike how you are completely denying that it ever had known hardware problems

Back to the original topic, they are right though, people would buy a box of $#@! if it had an apple (or $ony) logo on the side.

Blimey you've really got a superiority complex going on, you're not even reading what i put.. though because you keep using rolleyes you must be right. I said the myth was that a large percentage of PS2 sales were just replacement units which is rubbish.

You've not provided any facts whatsoever regarding how many PS2's have been returned as faulty which is what i asked. So like i say without a shred of evidence or any statistics whatsoever you're just blowing hot air and speculating.

Yep it did and still does have issues, so did the XBox with it's power supply and hard drives. The Playstation side of Sony's business has been about the only one making any decent profit for them over the past few years, if millions of PS2's were being replaced don't you think that would have eaten a lot of the profit?

"Back to the original topic, they are right though, people would buy a box of $#@! if it had an apple (or $ony) logo on the side."

That also applies to Microsoft, Nintendo and most other huge corporations.. people have been buying Microsoft branded $#@! for their PC's for years and the same old Nintendo games over and over again.

**deftonesmx17** · June 20th, 2006, 17:33

Originally Posted by horacehogarth

Blimey you've really got a superiority complex going on,

Obviously you have one also or you wouldnt keep responding to me.

You've not provided any facts whatsoever regarding how many PS2's have been returned as faulty which is what i asked.

You're right as companies do not give out those numbers. Even with the faulty Xbox360's, M$ hasnt given a number but its is said to be around the average 3-5% of all units are faulty. This was not the case with the PS2. Again, in order for a court to decide against you in a case over faulty units, that percentage had to be well above the average 3-5%. Its a fact that $ony lost the case meaning it was considered above average by the court and only an illogical $ony fanboy would say otherwise. Just some FYI, even if it was only 5% of all units are faulty(which is considered normal) out of 100 million, thats still around 5 million units.

Yep it did and still does have issues, so did the XBox with it's power supply and hard drives. The Playstation side of Sony's business has been about the only one making any decent profit for them over the past few years, if millions of PS2's were being replaced don't you think that would have eaten a lot of the profit?

Did I ever say the xbox was problem free? I don't seem to think so! Yup, most of $ony's recent profits have come from the Playstation side of the company. Then again, most console manufactures make the majority of profits from game sales and not console sales....everyone knows this. The PS2 has a huge library of games which equals huge profits for the Playstation division of $ony. I also have a reality check for you. If I have a 90 warranty and my console starts to have issues at 92 days; the only person suffering is me, not $ony. $ony doesnt have to replace my console, I do. This in turn takes money from me and places it in $ony's pocket, meaning this does not hurt $ony's PS2 profits...........IT HELPS IT.

**horacehogarth** · June 21st, 2006, 17:24

Originally Posted by deftonesmx17

Errrr.......no. The average PS2 owner is on at least their second PS2. There are also many more who bought more than just two like myself due to their $#@! lasers. So you can clearly drag that 100 million PS2 owners number way down.[/i]

If you remember this gem of yours.. that's what i was taking issue with. So for the average PS2 owner to be on at least their second PS2 that means about 50 million were defective which you have to agree is complete garbage. Bringing the figures way down? Even at 10% which is probably about right that's not bringing the figures way down at all.

Here's another of yours..

Originally Posted by deftonesmx17

Good for you that your day one PS2 still works, but its not the case for most.[/i]

It's great that you can speak on behalf of millions of people. Most? total crap. Just admit you're making wildly exagerrated claims and move on

**Cap'n 1time** · June 21st, 2006, 17:34

Most people we agree that the original ps2's were released with so many flaws that it was not funny.

As for the xbox power supply... mine actually caught on fire... the reason was mainly due to me opening my case and slowly looseing it and eventually exposing it to things it shouldnt have been exposed to.. i never really heard of anyone else with a power supply problem that didnt involve them voiding their warrenty.

"Back to the original topic, they are right though, people would buy a box of $#@! if it had an apple (or $ony) logo on the side."

oh its funny how times change. It used to be that apple really did sell boxes of $#@!.

**deftonesmx17** · June 21st, 2006, 17:44

Originally Posted by horacehogarth

If you remember this gem of yours.. that's what i was taking issue with. So for the average PS2 owner to be on at least their second PS2 that means about 50 million were defective which you have to agree is complete garbage. Bringing the figures way down? Even at 10% which is probably about right that's not bringing the figures way down at all.

An average in mathematics is not always 50% of the total number. Even better is how I wasnt speaking in mathematics, but only using it a descriptive word that you took way out of context. Had I been talking about 50% I would have just directly said the following "Half of the total PS2's sold were replacement units".

It's great that you can speak on behalf of millions of people. Most? total crap. Just admit you're making wildly exagerrated claims and move on

If I use the word many instead of most does that make you feel better.................

@ 1timeuser
I wouldnt use the word most as horacehogarth might have a cow over it.

**Accordion** · June 21st, 2006, 17:45

hang on a minute!!!

im a mac user, and...
oh forget it, pc users are all the same
(say bye bye PDF and Adobe support)

the ipod is a piece of crap, anyone who actually loves music will understand that.
i still find the term "IPOD HI-FI" very funny
128kbs...hilarious... i would love the tone hiss filling my room!

oh and isnt this thread about PS3?

**irongiant** · June 22nd, 2006, 00:53

Originally Posted by deftonesmx17

An average in mathematics is not always 50% of the total number. Even better is how I wasnt speaking in mathematics, but only using it a descriptive word that you took way out of context. Had I been talking about 50% I would have just directly said the following "Half of the total PS2's sold were replacement units".

@ 1timeuser
I wouldnt use the word most as horacehogarth might have a cow over it.

Jeez you just won't let it go will you.. though there's no rolleyes so you must be being serious. You wrote crap and won't just admit it, if someone uses the word 'most' then they mean the majority or a high percentage or are you using a different dictionary to the rest of us? As for mathematics and averages you know exactly what i was getting at though you're covering that up by trying to sound clever.

Originally Posted by deftonesmx17

If I use the word many instead of most does that make you feel better..................

Nope, i couldn't care less. If you change one word you may as well change every other word as well.

Have the last word bud, i'll let ya and i know you're desperate to have it.

**deftonesmx17** · June 22nd, 2006, 14:52

Originally Posted by irongiant

Jeez you just won't let it go will you.. though there's no rolleyes so you must be being serious. You wrote crap and won't just admit it, if someone uses the word 'most' then they mean the majority or a high percentage or are you using a different dictionary to the rest of us? As for mathematics and averages you know exactly what i was getting at though you're covering that up by trying to sound clever.

I like how you use definite numbers, but you were "trying to say something else" or "I know what you were getting at". Then again, when I use a simple descriptive word you have a cow over it..........there is my last word