PSP Homebrew Scene Going Illegal With Custom Firmwares and Devhook ?

**Pico** · July 22nd, 2006, 18:22

Originally Posted by vettacossx

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i agree whole heartedley .....i dont think that piracy IN ANY FORM is ok...first of all if you enjoy the UMD games you have then SUPPORT the creators of the game WITHOUT YOUR SUPPORT the chances of a sequal to THAT AWESOME GAME YOUR PLAYING RIGHT NOW......ARE LESS

id hate to see sony take this console off the market because of PIRACY.....i would be ok if they took it off the market however BECAUSE OF HOMEBREW! theres NOTHING ILLEGAL about it even if SONY dont like it

i mean i dont like the fact that SONY TRIES TO DICTATE MY PSP....anymore than anyone else and i do beleave that it is our right as the owners of the equipment to play homebrew that is LEGAL content and IF U WANT TO HELP WIN THE HOMEBREW WAR......dont support UMD theft......because thats what it is.........your taking money from the mouths of commercial game coders like our own PSMONKEY whom has done SOOOO much for the scene ......in his own spare time he has botherd to do what he does for nintendo all day just to make sure you can enjoy the benefets of HOMEBREW so lets not f*ck it up for everyone.....lets KEEP IT REAL guys IM ALL ABOUT INSTANT BANDS AT THE HINT OF ISO......i mean there are NO good exuses to put MY FAV PSP NEWS SITE IN DANGER OF CLOSING DOWN

Do you own turrican, no.
Did you even bother to check with who own's the image/game rights for image's/game engine's used (this aplies to sprite ripping too) for "LEGAl HOMEBREW", no and i bet it dident cross your mind either.
If you cant see why sony puts a stop to any ilegal software running on there systems then expect to see the psp die pretty quickly.

**carpy** · July 22nd, 2006, 18:35

Originally Posted by Kaiser

Your all over-looking what I've already stated. Just because its legal doesn't make it okay.

~ We don't share any commercial roms on this site. Nether do we share and illegal PSP ISO's. Everyone should understand that.

~ Those loaders are legal sure enough, but we'd prefer not allow discussion or post news about them. We have many reasons for this rule. We don't want a community full of pirates and ISO loaders do far too much damage to the PSP. ISO loaders hurt the image of our site and they hurt the image of the PSP community as a whole (which is only trying to gain legitimacy). The coders behind them aren't doing anyone favours in the long run.

Right. So you just ban everyone who posts the word ISO and stick your fingers in your ears and pretend it doesn't exist. Even though it's been proven time and again in this thread that there are legitimate LEGAL benefits to DevHook's ISO loading feature.

So when the PSP is officially declared dead this time next year, not because of piracy, but because of a tiny, underwhelming software library and too much competition from the big home consoles and the DS, and they start pulling UMD games off the shelves because they just aren't selling - what do you think you're going to do with you obsolete Sony PSBrick?

The only thing I hate more than people who intentionally pirate current, instore games - are people who download them, and then run around like a saint claiming they don't and passsing judgement on others who do.

Giant bunch of hypocrites, the lot of you.

**F9zDark** · July 22nd, 2006, 18:36

Originally Posted by Kaiser

Your all over-looking what I've already stated. Just because its legal doesn't make it okay.

If it wasn't ok, it wouldn't be legal in the first place. There is nothing wrong with making A SINGLE backup of a UMD for personal use. Hell, many computer games include that in its EULA, specifically allowing the end user to creat ONE backup of the game, in the event that the CD should become damaged.

Those loaders are legal sure enough, but we'd prefer not allow discussion or post news about them. We have many reasons for this rule. We don't want a community full of pirates and ISO loaders do far too much damage to the PSP. ISO loaders hurt the image of our site and they hurt the image of the PSP community as a whole (which is only trying to gain legitimacy). The coders behind them aren't doing anyone favours in the long run.

I suppose I didn't give that point much thought in the past. As the old saying goes, "You are who you keep." I guess sooner or later all this talk of ISOs, even if they are about software and not the ISOs themselves, would create enough hits on Yahoo when typing in 'PSP ISO' that pirates would eventually set up shop here.

Since that is probably what would happen, I suppose the best course of action is to just stick to what you have done. It's worked well enough thus far.

But then again, software like DevHook, which has features that benefit the community should still have a place on the homepage. Simply keeping the fact that it can run ISOs underwraps would be sufficient enough to keep pirates at bay I believe.

**F9zDark** · July 22nd, 2006, 18:43

Originally Posted by carpy

Right. So you just ban everyone who posts the word ISO and stick your fingers in your ears and pretend it doesn't exist. Even though it's been proven time and again in this thread that there are legitimate LEGAL benefits to DevHook's ISO loading feature.

So when the PSP is officially declared dead this time next year, not because of piracy, but because of a tiny, underwhelming software library and too much competition from the big home consoles and the DS, and they start pulling UMD games off the shelves because they just aren't selling - what do you think you're going to do with you obsolete Sony PSBrick?

The only thing I hate more than people who intentionally pirate current, instore games - are people who download them, and then run around like a saint claiming they don't and passsing judgement on others who do.

Giant bunch of hypocrites, the lot of you.

First off, the PSP won't be dead. Sony would not pull the plug on the PSP, especially since its doing pretty well for Sony's first shot into the handheld market. Sure the DS is selling more, but think of the target audience for the DS. 7-16 year olds, I'd say.

Given that audience its no surprise the DS is outselling the PSP in some countries. How many families out there with 3 or 4 children, who all need to have their own DS?

The benefits of the PSP surely don't warrant buying one for a 7 year old...

**carpy** · July 22nd, 2006, 19:32

Originally Posted by F9zDark

First off, the PSP won't be dead. Sony would not pull the plug on the PSP, especially since its doing pretty well for Sony's first shot into the handheld market. Sure the DS is selling more, but think of the target audience for the DS. 7-16 year olds, I'd say.

Given that audience its no surprise the DS is outselling the PSP in some countries. How many families out there with 3 or 4 children, who all need to have their own DS?

The benefits of the PSP surely don't warrant buying one for a 7 year old...

I hope for all of our sakes, you're right.

**jwilds73** · July 22nd, 2006, 20:32

We are guests on this site is it really so much to ask that we respect the rules of this site regardless if we agree with them or not? We all have the choice to go elsewhere or create our own sites if we choose to discuss whatever we want. However as a guest in these people's home I will respect their rules. I suppose if you went to a friends for dinner and they required you to take your shoes off at the door you'ld get all offended and rude and say "wtf I don't take my shoes off at the door in my own house why the hell should I take them off at yours?" Any reasonable and respectable person would respect their friends wishes while in their home. This place is no different, grow up children.

**F9zDark** · July 22nd, 2006, 20:50

Originally Posted by jwilds73

We are guests on this site is it really so much to ask that we respect the rules of this site regardless if we agree with them or not? We all have the choice to go elsewhere or create our own sites if we choose to discuss whatever we want. However as a guest in these people's home I will respect their rules. I suppose if you went to a friends for dinner and they required you to take your shoes off at the door you'ld get all offended and rude and say "wtf I don't take my shoes off at the door in my own house why the hell should I take them off at yours?" Any reasonable and respectable person would respect their friends wishes while in their home. This place is no different, grow up children.

I respect their rules and I follow them as best I can.

But this topic was initiated by a staff member, to discuss and debate the legality of the issues:

ISOs
Custom Firmware

I really don't see how 'we are being like children' by sharing our opinions when we have been asked to. Yeah there have been many posters in this topic that have acted childish. But don't brandish all of us as children because we wish to speak our mind, which for some of us, goes against the rules.

**pspman354** · July 22nd, 2006, 20:59

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**Cap'n 1time** · July 23rd, 2006, 01:02

Originally Posted by jwilds73

We are guests on this site is it really so much to ask that we respect the rules of this site regardless if we agree with them or not? We all have the choice to go elsewhere or create our own sites if we choose to discuss whatever we want. However as a guest in these people's home I will respect their rules. I suppose if you went to a friends for dinner and they required you to take your shoes off at the door you'ld get all offended and rude and say "wtf I don't take my shoes off at the door in my own house why the hell should I take them off at yours?" Any reasonable and respectable person would respect their friends wishes while in their home. This place is no different, grow up children.

you win.

I respect their rules and I follow them as best I can.

But this topic was initiated by a staff member, to discuss and debate the legality of the issues:

ISOs
Custom Firmware

I really don't see how 'we are being like children' by sharing our opinions when we have been asked to. Yeah there have been many posters in this topic that have acted childish. But don't brandish all of us as children because we wish to speak our mind, which for some of us, goes against the rules.

This topic was probably created for you all to discuss, and I would say that a large majority of you arnt exactly acting like children.

A large sum of you seem to think that ISO's have a legit use, and it is possible that you do... however I would say that a much larger group of people are warezy ass monkeys who go around dling illegal stuff, wasting bandwith and killing the internet. It is these people that we are preventing from making a home in our site. The slightest mention of an ISO makes these people cream their pants and.. we at DCemu find the creaming of ones pants over illegal software to be disgusting.

This knowledge can surely be used for good, but sadly it can also be used for evil.. We find its best just to ban discussion of ISO's all together.

As for custom firmwares... it seems to me currently they are illegal... however the second they post modified sony files on our site is the second they get banned. Current meathods of hacked firmwares (to my knowledge) can be compared to the IPS patch of yesteryears rom hacks and translations.. these are perfectly legal.