PSP Homebrew Scene Going Illegal With Custom Firmwares and Devhook ?

**TeamOverload** · July 21st, 2006, 15:47

Yeah the PSP scene is going illegal, but myself I try and keep myself away from that. Things like custom firmwares, I would likely use if I had a 1.5, as I dont consider firmware something bad as it is free anyways, but ISOs I dont touch.

**aries2k4** · July 21st, 2006, 15:50

This is always a touchy subject but I think both custom fw and devhook are good things.
As for custom fw, well if you buy a car you can pimp it up to your taste, so why not with the psp also?
Now Devhook.
The people who were going to pirate will do that no matter what, but there are many people who love homebrew(I love my emus), and aren´t willing to give up their 1.5. So they couldn´t buy the new games to play on the psp. The choice were, don´t play the game or resort to piracy to play it.
Now with devhook you can keep 1.5 and homebrew and still buy the game(helping Sony) and actually play it.
Were going to have to wait to see how Sony react to these things.

**borikua_rocks** · July 21st, 2006, 15:56

Originally Posted by deftonesmx17

I'm so sick of hearing about the "bad" devhook that loads ISO's

This drives me nuts more than anything. I bet most of the people around here includuing these high and mighty "I wont use an ISO loader", have at least one of the following. A Xbox that has a custom dashboard on it(most likely using XBMC), have a PS2 with HDloader/HDadvance, have Swap Magic discs, have the boot disc for the dreamcast, etc, etc. All of which leave the possibility to load illegal downloaded games. Yup thats right, even if you just use XBMC for media purposes alone, you are still using a program that has the same illegal possibility as devhook. Not to mention things like XBMC and almost anything compiled for the xbox (including all the EMU's), are made from the XDK, which are highly illegal.

Is it that hard for people to grasp that some of us just can't deal with the load times of fecking UMD's??????????? Take PES5 on the PSP for example. It takes about 2 mins for a match to load from UMD, where it takes about 10-15 secs from an ISO. Not to mention the game runs much much smoother from an ISO and @ 333mhz.

Very well said. Unfortunatly the world of Homebrew isnt as black and white as some would believe. Its a shade of grey all the way. Whats legal to one may not be legal to others. I mean take a look at Super Mario War (on of my all time favorite games). Do you think that nintendo appreciates their mascot on a Sony PSP? I totally agree with you that the hardware is mines. i bought it, and i can do what I wish with it, and no one can stop me. If I wan tto paint the damn thing Pink, glue wings on it, and call it a butterfly, its mines to do as I wish. And the all mighty Sony cant really do anything about it. Custom Firmware is the same as custom building a PC utilizing a HP as a springboard.

**Briggzy11** · July 21st, 2006, 15:57

Its strange though because I can bet that employees in Sony use Homebrew as well...

**eLAy12** · July 21st, 2006, 16:12

The PSP itself is an amazing machine. But sony really dropped the ball on its support. The only reason the PSP is what it is is because of the whole homebrew community. The only reason why all of my friends got a PSP is because i introduced them to homebrew.

**jaws365** · July 21st, 2006, 16:16

Originally Posted by Briggzy11

Its strange though because I can bet that employees in Sony use Homebrew as well...

Yeah, probably custom formware that do not automatically boot UMD. I find that friggin annoying when testing unstable applications, or just when I use the PSP regularely, and I am just a lamer.

Jesus Crust, I have bought THREE PSPs (no.1 was stolen, no 2 had FW2.6 so I sold it). Now, I have spend approximately 900 Euros on PSP (not counting my 9 UMDs). To be honest, I would find it absurd to be sued because I used custom firmware after supporting these assholes with that much. I don´t even like the games, would have bought DS if it was not for the great homebrew scene on PSP (haven´t seen any C64/Amiga emulators or IR Shell on DS yet).

**vettacossx** · July 21st, 2006, 16:22

Id like to hear from Devs, Hackers and any Legal experts their views on the issues above

JMV DEV MOD GROUPS VETTACOSSX

i agree whole heartedley .....i dont think that piracy IN ANY FORM is ok...first of all if you enjoy the UMD games you have then SUPPORT the creators of the game WITHOUT YOUR SUPPORT the chances of a sequal to THAT AWESOME GAME YOUR PLAYING RIGHT NOW......ARE LESS

id hate to see sony take this console off the market because of PIRACY.....i would be ok if they took it off the market however BECAUSE OF HOMEBREW! theres NOTHING ILLEGAL about it even if SONY dont like it

i mean i dont like the fact that SONY TRIES TO DICTATE MY PSP....anymore than anyone else and i do beleave that it is our right as the owners of the equipment to play homebrew that is LEGAL content and IF U WANT TO HELP WIN THE HOMEBREW WAR......dont support UMD theft......because thats what it is.........your taking money from the mouths of commercial game coders like our own PSMONKEY whom has done SOOOO much for the scene ......in his own spare time he has botherd to do what he does for nintendo all day just to make sure you can enjoy the benefets of HOMEBREW so lets not f*ck it up for everyone.....lets KEEP IT REAL guys IM ALL ABOUT INSTANT BANDS AT THE HINT OF ISO......i mean there are NO good exuses to put MY FAV PSP NEWS SITE IN DANGER OF CLOSING DOWN

**Alucard** · July 21st, 2006, 16:24

As the old saying goes, guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Same goes for this release. Devhook doesn't play illegal games, people play illegal games.

While devhook has the capability of playing downloaded ISOs, it also has the capability of playing legally dumped ISOs.

The fact of the matter is law is created by corporations, it is not based off of what is right and wrong. That is why a corporate leader can steal all they want from a company and skip jail, and me and you can go steal something small and go to jail for up to 20 years.

So, in my opinion, Devhook allows the user additional control over the PSP that Sony didn't want us to have. Not because we would do illegal things with it, but because Sony just wants to profit from every little thing. Bad video playback to sell UMD movies anyone?

Illegal activities will happen regardless if Devhook was released or not. I mean we have a modchip don't we?

Also, there is something else that is really really pissing me off that I would think would be a good discussion starter:

The theft of emulation and other ideas from homebrew freeware developers by large corporations.

Emulators, portable video players, location free players were all created by creative devs out there. None of these inovations came from any large company.

However, large companies now steal these ideas and attempt to patent them. Put a big price tag on them, and then try to make it illegal to create any alternate ones. Now, that is what I consider illegal.

However, as mentioned above, corporations make the laws, and therefore there is no reprecussions for these actions. Lets think about that for a second.

**borikua_rocks** · July 21st, 2006, 16:25

Originally Posted by jaws365

Yeah, probably custom formware that do not automatically boot UMD. I find that friggin annoying when testing unstable applications, or just when I use the PSP regularely, and I am just a lamer.

Jesus Crust, I have bought THREE PSPs (no.1 was stolen, no 2 had FW2.6 so I sold it). Now, I have spend approximately 900 Euros on PSP (not counting my 9 UMDs). To be honest, I would find it absurd to be sued because I used custom firmware after supporting these assholes with that much. I don´t even like the games, would have bought DS if it was not for the great homebrew scene on PSP (haven´t seen any C64/Amiga emulators or IR Shell on DS yet).

Yes, while the PSP is overflowing with homebrews and custom made applications, it really is lacking on great games that capture the attention fro more than 2 hours. I could count the number of games I enjoy playing on one hand. I have both DS and PSP and I have to say, in regards to gaming, the DS wins hands down. Now of course this isnt taking into consideration the EXCELLENT Homebrew scene on the PSP. Im just talking legal gaming.