Homebrew a true utopian society?

[StealthCP]

Stunning article, shadow, you really are a good writer

If any of you know I was away on holiday most of July, but enjoyed my hotel's WiFi more than I could imagine on my PSP, from shoutcast radio, to downloading updates to emus from Zx-81 (thanks man ) and talking on MSN or other IM clients to friends back home.. all while soaking in the sun I was even able to do so on South beach, so grab your kit and get packing!

Though once I came back I not only returned to Dcemu (site was to powerful for Links2 - stupid "out of memory" messages.. :P) but I also crawled the web, and boy I saw what had happened to PSP homebrew since I was away. Man I've been fully awake now ever since, and shadow's article here just served as a substitute to this morning's coffee.

[Voltron]

Voltron,if you can,softmod that xbox.It's not that hard provided your dashboard and kernal haven't been updated.

How would I know if dashboard/kernel have been updated? I used to play Halo 2 religously which occasionally said it needed to update. I always thought it was updating XBOX Live.

The XBOX has not been played since maybe September/October 2005. Perhaps I could still softmod?

It seems that XBOX has a very mature homebrew scene. I just never paid attention to it being preoccupied with the PSP.

Any links, google search terms, or advice for an XBOX homebrew n00b would be most appreciated.

[mr_nick666]

Its been a while since we've had a good 'Shadow Rant' You are wise and sage my friend The homebrew scene wont ever be killed though it will just go underground if it came to it... The loss would be sites like these Im a daily visitor to DCEMU and I like it here... I like the people, the articles and the mormon homebrew way of life here Lets just keep it clean

[SSaxdude]

Another "piracy is bad" article. Sony wants to stop ALL hacking/homebrew no matter if it condones piracy or not. An example is how they blocked the GTA eLoader on 2.7 before there was ever a downgrader.

I love this site because of the environment, but I'm tired of people telling me what's right from wrong.

[Topknot]

While I agree with many points within your article, I find it fairly trite. Especially this:

"realize that things like iso loaders that load commercial software do a lot more then encourage one to download illegal warez (stolen commercial property) They damage our scene buy putting us in the hot seat. all that needs to be done to shut any site down is some mistake to be caught under that micro scope and a cease and desist order from some corporation and poof, the scene is no more.."

It cannot be hard for an educated person to see that if ISO loaders promote people to download sony ISO's then by that rational emulators promote people to go download commercial roms. I dont doubt that over 90% of the people here (and thats being generous) have no idea on how to legally back up a snes cartridge, I am fairly certain everyone here downloads MAME roms because lets face it, if your using MAME where are you legally getting your rom backups from. Open BOR promotes people to go download paks with artwork and characters from commercial games illegally, not to mention the countless amounts of homebrew using commercial artwork within it.

What would happen if Nintendo begin issuing cease and desist orders on sites serving out emulators once they get the virtual console thing going on the Wii? Will all of a sudden emu's be the "evil" side of the scene? I should be able to play EVERY newest game available for the PSP without losing functionality. Devhook, is a damn godsend for homebrew users end of story. Otherwise 1.5ers would be sitting playing illegal SNES games or Genesis games, or GBA games, etc, etc, etc.

Its funny that because Nintendo/Sega etc havnt shown any concern over emulators on the PSP, things like DGEN and Snes tyl are considered acceptable while devhook is not despite the fact that devhook allows you to play your LEGAL umd's and DGEN DOES NOT ADD A CARTRIDGE SLOT TO THE PSP. Dont talk about illegally backed up UMD's for use with devhook, or even using LEGAL, proper UMD disks with devhook... talk all you want about illegally backed up game cartridges for use on an emulator.

Snes emulator emulating a SNES so you can play illegally ripped/downloaded cartridge roms, devhook emulating PSP firmware so you can legally use your store bought UMD disk or illegally ripped/downloaded copy of a game. This site, and MANY others needs to stop kidding itself on this subject, you hide behind no piracy in regards to sony matters because they activly issues cease and desists over it but you act like pirating SNES/GENESIS games is morally better? And why? Well it seems like its because Sony are the only peolpe throwing legal threats about.

I wonder if Nintendo made a press release tomorrow stating they actually dont like SNES emu's or people downloading the games they plan on distributing via the Wii's virtual console, would we see an article on emulators part in the "dark side" of our scene?

This article and any claims of anti piracy is a joke and hippocritical in the eyes of anyone with an IQ over 100 and yet I just know that a) some mod or site admin is going to give some reason why emulators dont actually encourage people to load google up and type in "SNES roms" and yet devhook activly encourages people to go on a torrent site and type in "PSP games".. and b) a slew of ignorant asskissers will get offensive in there posts about this.

If you ask me, articles like this and hippocritical actions by sites are the "evil side" of homebrew...

[fistikuffs]

Regarding devs ripping sprites music etc from commercial games for homebrew.....
Personally i never play these type of mods. There is so much talent in this scene that i don't think is being used appropriatley with these mods. But i have an idea. Is it possible to start up some type of 'creative commons' type pool of material for game devs. What i mean by this is have somewhere where poeple can sumbit there own sprites, artwork, music and even stories. Devs can then go to this pool and pick stuff they would like to use.

Just think about it...all original content waiting to inspire the devs instead of looking at old games actually creating entirely original content in a truly utopian collabaritive style. Eventually this would develop into teams of people regularly collaborating
on homebrew developing their skills to a much higher level and benifiting absolutely everyone with higher quality, original homebrew. What do you think?

ps. i hope i'm not too far off topic

[notaforumtroll]

fistikuffs : what you speak of towards the end of your post already exists, they are called game dev studios where people actually get paid money for their hard work (which i exploit and undermind with the useage of my totally awesome ISO collection )instead of flamed and praised on internet forums.


" Software piracy, Warez, ISO'S, "
The only reason lots of us are on the internet. Also the only reason lots of us are into the psp unit. If psp didnt offer iso loaders and such an awesome warez scene, it would be another garbage sony console with over priced games and junk homebrew, who gives a $#@! about remote controls and nintendo emus, i'll bet any money that 90% of people if they were given the choice between running strictly emu's and home brew titles, or ISO related goodies, would side with ISOS.

.ISO WNED.

As for legality of it all who gives a $#@!? dont shamelessly promote your work on a website and make yourself available to the world via a www. address, Booster is genius, except for the fact he put himself out there, had devhook been released through the grapevine (irc/torrents/ftp/rapid shares) sony would of had to shut down and pursue each outlet, and wouldnt of been able to get ahold of booster or the source of devhook.

"SO I'VE DECIDED TO TAKE MY WORK BACK UNDERGROUND, TO KEEP IT FROM FALLING INTO THE WRONG HANDS...."

too ****ing late for that bro

[fistikuffs]

"fistikuffs : what you speak of towards the end of your post already exists, they are called game dev studios where people actually get paid money for their hard work (which i exploit and undermind with the useage of my totally awesome ISO collection )instead of flamed and praised on internet forums."

But what i'm talking about is a non commercial version of this giving people who don't do that work professionally the oppurtunity to work on homebrew games and deveolpe their skills. Didn't i just say that?

[1003G1]

You like saying "Make No Mistake" haha.
Pretty pointless article really. Nothing is gonna happen to the homebrew scene. It's not illegal so Sony or anyone else can't do anything aboot it. They can make threats all they want but all they will be doing is providing us with something to laugh at.
I wish everyone would stop being so dramatic aboot the homebrew scene. Just keep everything leagal and we'll be fine.

[Pico]

You have to understand, this particular copyright issue was just recently brought to light,
You also have to take into account, that none of us staff are certified legal technicians. we do our best, and even still some things will slip through the cracks. We simply don't have the time, to disassemble and examine every piece of homebrew that comes our way, But I assure you.
When something illegal is discovered it is put into evaluation, until it is either cleared or removed.
You have to also consider that you are getting your legal issues crossed here most if the issues you are talking about fall into the fan ware category, (fan recreations of art sprites that someone created there selves)- it is not illegal to use those. provided the user had permission form there creator. while its true. that certain art and music have slipped by us, that where commercial property, since then a strict new policy has taken effect. while we fell it unnecessary to evaluate every piece of homebrew we have, when we do discover something illegal that has slipped through the cracks it will generally disappear rather quickly.

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"You have to understand, this particular copyright issue was just recently brought to light". So there is a copyright issue, I just wanted to make the point that if you enquire with the company your quite likely to find out where you stand (capcom are the best example, look at any hl2 mod site).

"You have to also consider that you are getting your legal issues crossed here most if the issues you are talking about fall into the fan ware category". No your skirting the issue you cant assume its ok just because its "fan ware" this is where the problems start and why homebrew is frowned upon. People who make things useing other peoples Interlectual property shoud be respectful, responsible for there actions and find out whatever they need to know, but the big problem is that no sites (dev,news sites) have even looked into the matter and set up simple guidelines on such things either. How things are now homebrew will stay where it is if sites that report and distribute it act as if there not responsible for any of the content either, ethics and leading by example just dont seem to exist (unless its bitching about how the dreaded "WAREZ IS KILLING HOMEBREW"). One day it'll sort itself out, but right now there no clear pioneers in whats needed, maby due to petty fights between certain sites.

This threads still got steam (i think)