Religion

[jman420]

Still. I hold reservations against (people who believe in nothing )~ If a person worships a baked potato,or satan, or the silver moon dragon for that matter, Its fine with me, it was there choice.

Noo.. Its those people who have no beliefs what so ever, I have reservations about. people who believe in the here and now only. people that believe there is nothing to the universe beyond what we can see.. Those people ..

people who have no moral guidance on any level, that have no set of rules to follow through life on what's acceptable or not, to be honest. I wouldn't feel comfortable around someone who doesn't believe there are consequences to there own actions.. people like that strike me as dangerous.
What do you guys think ?

And no this is not aimed at athiests, ( for the record ) even athiests have been proven to be of strong mind and moral.. I suppose im aiming this as a specific type of person, rather..

wow, dude, I cannot believe that you started a thread based on religion...

But, I have come to spread my opinion, as that is what the forums are for lol...

be fore-warned, its a long ass post...

and I have attached my theories on the arguements against (and for) the existance of god as a txt file


now, you say that people with no beliefs in God are immoral? I think that you need to take a Philosophy class here dude, because I dont think that your theory matches up...

people that don't believe in God, don't for so many reasons, most christians cant even immagine. at the same time, people that belive in god, see from one perspective.. if you consider the reasons from the non-beleiving point of view, why is it that you call those people "immoral"??

you believe that someone that doesent believe in God has no moral guidence? no rules through life?? I declaire BS on that...

its the ethics of the world man, there are a lot of different theories for ethics, but only 1 is accualy based on religion..

even after that, you have to realize that the ethics based on religion is flawed, it has been changed so many times, even just in the last 100 years...
Consider Marijuana, this "Herb" was refered to several times in the bible, however... has recently been removed due to other people modifying the bible.

that doesn't mean that people that choose to say that the bible is just another book, are immoral... it means that they realize that it truly is just another book..

I would realy enjoy changing someone's mind on here about this little suggestion that all athiests are immoral (whether or not you said thats what you mean, thats what it ment)

and why would you not feal comfortable around someone that didn't believe the same thing as you?!? dont you think that is just a little wrong?

just check this option out...

where I live we have gangs, not many, but they do exist.. they will claim to be before God, and expect to go to heaven.. they are always at church on sundays.. but I have been robbed by them, and beaten up in my local park by them... now, explain to me how an athiest would do that??

first off, athiests are the group of humans that are smart enough to realize that the wool that has been pulled over their eye's is not true.. no matter what you may think, its got to do with realization.. not faith, not expectation, not because they want to be different..

its because they realize that there is no God, they realize that there is no reason for God to exist, they realize that all evedence points twards the non-existance of God..

most of the time now-a-days, you see pepole becoming religious after the age of 70... anyone know why???



its because there is an ego boosting thing now telling you that your life after you die is going to be better..

but that leads me anyway to ask the question... why would an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent being force his "creation" through this 80-100 year test...

it seems assinine to think that you will have a better life when you die, if you do all this stuff...

and at the same time, it seems evil that people will look down on athiests, as they will be going to hell... I see that all the time, I see christians telling others that they will be going to hell, "but I will be going to heaven"


but this is thhe group of people you would trust more then the intellegent athiest??


that is about all I have to say in this post, but if someone wants to argue on any of my theories, I will be back lol...

And also I am going to post my first real philosophy paper based on the information supporting and arguing against the existance of God. I think its good, someone read it lol...

[shadowprophet]

wow, dude, I cannot believe that you started a thread based on religion...

But, I have come to spread my opinion, as that is what the forums are for lol...

be fore-warned, its a long ass post...

and I have attached my theories on the arguements against (and for) the existance of god as a txt file


now, you say that people with no beliefs in God are immoral? I think that you need to take a Philosophy class here dude, because I dont think that your theory matches up...

people that don't believe in God, don't for so many reasons, most christians cant even immagine. at the same time, people that belive in god, see from one perspective.. if you consider the reasons from the non-beleiving point of view, why is it that you call those people "immoral"??

you believe that someone that doesent believe in God has no moral guidence? no rules through life?? I declaire BS on that...

its the ethics of the world man, there are a lot of different theories for ethics, but only 1 is accualy based on religion..

even after that, you have to realize that the ethics based on religion is flawed, it has been changed so many times, even just in the last 100 years...
Consider Marijuana, this "Herb" was refered to several times in the bible, however... has recently been removed due to other people modifying the bible.

that doesn't mean that people that choose to say that the bible is just another book, are immoral... it means that they realize that it truly is just another book..

I would realy enjoy changing someone's mind on here about this little suggestion that all athiests are immoral (whether or not you said thats what you mean, thats what it ment)

and why would you not feal comfortable around someone that didn't believe the same thing as you?!? dont you think that is just a little wrong?

just check this option out...

where I live we have gangs, not many, but they do exist.. they will claim to be before God, and expect to go to heaven.. they are always at church on sundays.. but I have been robbed by them, and beaten up in my local park by them... now, explain to me how an athiest would do that??

first off, athiests are the group of humans that are smart enough to realize that the wool that has been pulled over their eye's is not true.. no matter what you may think, its got to do with realization.. not faith, not expectation, not because they want to be different..

its because they realize that there is no God, they realize that there is no reason for God to exist, they realize that all evedence points twards the non-existance of God..

most of the time now-a-days, you see pepole becoming religious after the age of 70... anyone know why???



its because there is an ego boosting thing now telling you that your life after you die is going to be better..

but that leads me anyway to ask the question... why would an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent being force his "creation" through this 80-100 year test...

it seems assinine to think that you will have a better life when you die, if you do all this stuff...

and at the same time, it seems evil that people will look down on athiests, as they will be going to hell... I see that all the time, I see christians telling others that they will be going to hell, "but I will be going to heaven"


but this is thhe group of people you would trust more then the intellegent athiest??


that is about all I have to say in this post, but if someone wants to argue on any of my theories, I will be back lol...

And also I am going to post my first real philosophy paper based on the information supporting and arguing against the existance of God. I think its good, someone read it lol...

I think at some point, you missed my point, its Not about God, its about the generalization of haveing strong beliefes ,that build strong character, If somone believed strongly enough in in a rubber band to give them hope and faith, to give them some sort of deeper meaning to life then just the every day grind, im fine with that, But my point was almost completely missed, here, yes , yes I do believe in God, but thats only a personal view.

My point Goes on to something that really wasnt conveyed properly in my first post. i believe, that unless someone has found something to give them hope in existance beyond death, they lead a shallow and empty life devoid of the happyness that hope, even if it was false hope, can give one in an otherwise hopless situation that is beyond our controll, my underline meaning behind the entire first post, was the natural human fear of death and the ways people cope with it.
death is an issue that for lack of proper words, terrifies me. It's a subjet I ponder more then any healthy person should, concidering the hold that the fear of it has over me.

Because if you put real thought into it bro, and i can see you have, religion, all religion. is little more then then a diversion to calm society of there own fear of death. ( thats not to say i dont hold true to my own beliefs~ I believe them fully. But come on, at the same time im not gullible and weak minded. there may be truth to some If not all religion, over time, differnt people with different views,,different launguages and different cultures, took religion in under there own perceptions, surely only a fool would expect the truth to be the same for everyone, everywhere in every culture.

there bro, does that clear things up any

@ accordian boy,
normaly bro, I woudlnt stop to pick back at people that are spelling nazis however , I Had to in this case (accordion boy, i couldnt pass up the temptation), * Should i pick you up a dictionary too while im out lol :P

By the way, you should pm, kaiser, it wouldnt take him a split seconed to fix that for you

[Accordion]

@ accordian boy,
normaly bro, I woudlnt stop to pick back at people that are spelling nazis however , I Had to in this case (accordion boy, i couldnt pass up the temptation), * Should i pick you up a dictionary too while im out lol :P

By the way, you should pm, kaiser, it wouldnt take him a split seconed to fix that for you

that comment was a reaction to a misinterpretation of my previous posts, and someone thinking i was talking of conspiracy...it seems my meaning was not conveyed in the best way, or that it simply cannot be conveyed in any better way at my current understanding of 'my' theory....which is a shame.

as to the spelling of accordion...well ive become somewhat attatched to the mistake[which i realised the day after i made the account], although perhaps it wouldnt hurt...hmm.

and as further comment... perhaps self importance is the greatest disease of them all.

[shadowprophet]

that comment was a reaction to a misinterpretation of my previous posts, and someone thinking i was talking of conspiracy...it seems my meaning was not conveyed in the best way, or that it simply cannot be conveyed in any better way at my current understanding of 'my' theory....which is a shame.

as to the spelling of accordion...well ive become somewhat attatched to the mistake[which i realised the day after i made the account], although perhaps it wouldnt hurt...hmm.

and as further theory... perhaps self importance is the greatest disease of them all.

I was just razzing ya anyway bro

* I cant wait for jmans reply, hes seems quite the interesting conversationelest.

[Accordion]

Because if you put real thought into it bro, and i can see you have, religion, all religion. is little more then then a diversion to calm society of there own fear of death. ( thats not to say i dont hold true to my own beliefs~ I believe them fully. But come on, at the same time im not gullible and weak minded. there may be truth to some If not all religion, over time, differnt people with different views,,different launguages and different cultures, took religion in under there own perceptions, surely only a fool would expect the truth to be the same for everyone, everywhere in every culture.

hmmm, by my theory on society as one being, then you are right; religion is a diversion, but not to calm society, but to calm and restrain the people. in my reasoning 'society' is in many ways everything, the force which binds us together. perhaps 'society' is 'god'. however not the creator, atleast not the original. though how would we know.
i suppose our combined [sub]consciousness become a separate entity from the people, and this entity is what controls us. canabilism at its most extravagant!

[shadowprophet]

hmmm, by my theory on society as one being, then you are right; religion is a diversion, but not to calm society, but to calm and restrain the people. in my reasoning 'society' is in many ways everything, the force which binds us together. perhaps 'society' is 'god'. however not the creator, atleast not the original. though how would we know.
i suppose our combined [sub]consciousness become a separate entity from the people, and this entity is what controls us. canabilism at its most extravagant!

While every word you said the above post, is prefectly logical. and I could agree to it. to do so would place a person of my beliefs in dire strights.

You see religion isnt just a form of conditioning, its like you mentiond above it restrains me from agreeing that society could indeed be the force ( God)
and only permits me with few options, I can dissagree, or acording to my own conditioned beliefs agree and not only be wrong , but have sinned aswell, religion get awfully complicated on touchy issues like that.

however to add to that confusion, In the bible it sais what is true on earth shall be made true in heaven, what that means is of you have unfinished buisness, like debts you owe or people you offended and never set things right. those offences and offences like it will still be held accountible to you when you stand before judgment.

However, one could also precive that as,

*example, lets assume for one moment hitler had won world war two, history would have painted a different picture of the man, instead of being a monster, he woudl have been a hero and saviour.....

If people precived him as a hero and a saviour, then must God also precive him that way?

Food for thought.

your point on social views was porweful stuff.

seriously something to think about.

[BlackJack23]

I strongly recommend a book to all those interested in the 'God question'. Its called The God Delusion

Its taken from the completely atheist view of none other than Richard Dawkins. It is purely philosophical and is a great read. Its also a nice change from all that senseless creationist blabber. Although I can say with certainty that I do not agree with Dawkins on the most fundamental principles of God, I found his views incredibly interesting. He discusses the existence(non-existence) of God in depth and goes on to tackle philosophical brain candy like morality without God. It also shines some light on the many hypocrisies of religion itself, pointing out the endless flaws and contradictions within The Holy Bible.

Personally, I believe in a higher entity. Also I believe that all the holy scriptures in existence today are extreme distortions of the truth. I prefer to think of such texts as life guides rather than to take them literally. Therefore I can say I am spiritual but not religious.

I believe that all those claiming to be part of 'religions' are deeply selfish and many are only interested in self-preservation. I find modern religions themselves perversely selfish as they try and control the path to spiritual enlightenment. They scare people into adopting their belief systems with threats of eternal pain and tempt them with promises of eternal happiness. They are constantly in dispute with each other over the minor and ultimately irrelevant details of God and all the time are preventing each other of gaining a better understanding of the universe. I ask you this: How could our creator, the one who breathed life into us and indeed the entire universe even think of inflicting eternal pain on his creations? Hell is a sick lie created by those who would have you adopt their twisted interpretation of God.

[Accordion]

i started this post hoping to explain that shadowprophet is still living within the realms of my theory...not that he should feel he needs to, or that i need him to...but as merely a way of expanding my theory to a more satisfying level in my own understanding of it. however it seems in my youth i am not capaple of comprehending the ideas which flow through me at such speed into a recognisable form. all i can do for now is assert that i dont believe that religion is 'wrong', or indeed the social condition we follow...and so, i regret to say; i will postpone my full reply until i am able. if ever such a time comes.

as to the matter of Dawkins, although i agree wholly to the meme theory [ my own being a direct expansion of such] i dont believe dawkins as the source of such ideas and perhaps never will. for me Dawkins has always emitted a rather bitter aspiration for popularity and therefore becomes void as he aspires for his self importance, and naively contradicts his own theories on religion.

[souLLy]

I strongly recommend a book to all those interested in the 'God question'. Its called The God Delusion

I read it and thought it was poor actually, it's all very one-sided and angry, without any acceptance that religion does do some good in the world. Suggesting that stuff going on in Ireland is purely a religious argument and taking out the religion would solve all of the problems there (couldn't be any politics then obviously) and things like religious people being charitable and doing good deeds doesn't seem possible in his mind.

[Accordion]

I read it and thought it was poor actually, it's all very one-sided and angry, without any acceptance that religion does do some good in the world. Suggesting that stuff going on in Ireland is purely a religious argument and taking out the religion would solve all of the problems there (couldn't be any politics then obviously) and things like religious people being charitable and doing good deeds doesn't seem possible in his mind.

agreed, see above