PSP vs PS1 iso backing up

[dagger89]

With all the recent iso talk, WHY is it illegal to back up PSP isos, yet perfectly legal to backup PS1 and PS2 isos (of games YOU OWN)? I just don't see the sense of it, how can one be illegal, yet not the other.

I understand why DVD movie copying is illegal (copy-protection, encryption, etc), but not the PSP. Surely if the UMDs were copy-protected, Sony would have changed the scheme (like they do with Arccos and DVDs), but the same dumpers from a year ago still dump the newest games, without a problem.

This leads me to believe there is NO copy protection, and thus as "legal" as PS1/PS2 isos are to backup..


Any one care to comment?

[joshisposer]

I *heard* that is the type of disc that makes it illegal for UMD. The type of encryption or something makes it illegal to copy.
and then, imo, i think that since it is so easy to use and abuse that it is illegal. Because, psp iso's are widespread and very easy to load up where as ps1/2 you have to do some work for it to load up and work, granted on the ps1 you needed either tape/paper clip lol.

[F9zDark]

In my opinion they are the same thing. In the US it is legal to make a backup copy of game discs one owns. Other countries may have more or less restrictions on this.

However, I believe that if we can openly talk about PS1 ISOs around here, we should be allowed to talk about PSP ISOs, so long as:

1)We are not talking about downloading them
2)We are not talking about any form of piracy
3)We are not talking about freely distributing them to others

I haven't seen anyone banned for just mentioning ISOs yet, but I have seen some people banned for asking about where to download ISOs.

But I would suggest we wait to see what Wraggster says about all of this, before we embark onto another discussion about this.

[dagger89]

The PS1 is much easier to rip and play.... Especially with PC emulators... As long as your PC runs, it can pretty much handle a PSX emulator....

However, you actually need a PSP to play PSP games at this point....

And if there was encryption, why wouldn't Sony have changed it, like with DVDs every time it is hacked..... If that was the case, you'd see a new dumper released every week or so, but I can still use dumpers from June 05.....

Edit:
F9zDark: I've aided in helping someone run A "LEGALLY" Backed-up copy and was given a warning, so apparently, no PSP iso talk is permitted... BUT WHY?!!!

[F9zDark]

F9zDark: I've aided in helping someone run A "LEGALLY" Backed-up copy and was given a warning, so apparently, no PSP iso talk is permitted... BUT WHY?!!!

I don't know, the rules are enforced nearly to the T here. I hope that we may have some leeway in the future, but then again, if it aint broke, don't fix it.

We'll just have to wait and see.

[SSaxdude]

Yeah, I don't see why people aren't allowed to back up their PSP games to save battery life and preserve the life of their laser in the PSP.

[Cap'n 1time]

backing up your umd's is no more illegal than backing up your ps1. its just the talk that comes with the backup discussion.

The information we gave requires that you without any doubt own A ps1 disc. There was really no way you would require that information for any form of piracy.

Also if you are pirating your ps1 games (and we dont encourage pirating of any game) hopefully it will do less damage to the financial department of these companies that produced these games. ANY talk of ANY type of piracy is against our policy and swift punishment will come to those that obey our rules.

Finally we have no problems with umd iso and backup discussion ELSEWHERE. You are breaking no law. ONCE AGAIN!!! You are free to do it ELSEWHERE. sure its handy, and im sure many of you have only good intentions, but there are far more on the internet that would love to come to dcemu and discuss more immoral, illegal practices. We are actually protecting you from warez whoring morons from spamming torrent links and asking 10,000 times where to dl the latest cso releases.

In conclusion, if your intent is pure, you have my permission to discuss and learn about back ups ELSEWHERE, but here do not. And before you ask, you dont have freedom of speech, you signed that you would follow our policies when you joined our forums. respect our policies for they are for your own good.

PS, the warnings we give for this type of discussion are typically minimal unless it is obviously for abuse.

[m0th]

Good god people, stop beating a dead horse. DCEMU is NOT going to change their stance on it and I dont blame them. Its not a matter of morals and ethics. DCEMU's mods more than likely dont give a rats ass whether there's piracy in the world, what they do care about is the legality aspect of it and such talk on a board gets a few extra eyes watching it, no not the feds, not your local sheriff, but prolly Sony's attorneys looking for enough dirt to shutdown a board that may jeopardize their profits. Follow the rules, pay attention to the forums and you will quickly see who the right wing piracy is a sin people from the more left wing who gives a crap people (like myself) who may help you if you ask for it.

Oh yeah to Splodger and everyone like you, stop with the holier than thou stuff. I don't know where you live but in America police have better things to do than give a $#@! about piracy. A crime is only a crime when someone actually feels violated and decides to do something about it. I doubt Sony cares that Jimmy Smith just downloaded a few ISOs and now he doesn't have to buy the games. No they care more about going after the people that distributed to him and the people that told him where to go and how to use it. Kinda like how drugs work. Go after the dealer not the user.

EDIT: Ha! capn musta posted while I was writing this... Yeah, What he said. Excellent points. BTW capn or any other mod, is it ok to act individually and in private messages to discuss questionable matters? ie. if so and so asks me personally how they can get bios files to run an emulator. Can I personally offer such a thing but not give a link to it in public?

[dagger89]

K, but how come people are allow to ask how they can backup their PS2 games for PCSX2, but not "How do I backup Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories"

In both cases, there isn't a shadow of doubt the person has the original game, and both can be used for necessary reasons Remember the patches that needed to be applied to newer games before devhook came around earlier this year? Most of the time, a dump of your UMD was needed so that it would run... Now, of course I can see the possibility for illegal action, but you would simply be using to play your own game....

*sigh*... Most countries need better and more clear laws regarding this... Their vagueness only serves to hinder...


EDIT:
I AM NOT ASKING DCEMU TO CHANGE POLICIES, BUT RATHER WHY it is like this.... (I have my own sites for that stuff, lol)

[m0th]

You just brought up a valid point. You DO NOT need to "backup" your PS2 games to play in the emulator, you can use the original disc. So such talk SHOULD NOT be allowed regarding PS2 backups. PSP UMD ripping talk should be allowed but not until there's a reason as in a PSP emulator shows up cos its not like you can shove the umd disc into your CDROM drive.