Saddam Hussein executed

**the_eternal_dark** · January 3rd, 2007, 08:41

Originally Posted by lakirkby

Iagree people should keep there opinions to themself.

Sorry, but when you attack women and children with chemical weapons or have them mowed down by machinegun fire (as what was fed to us by our media, I'm not sure if it is all true or not) you do deserve to die slowly. Now some opinions should be kept to one's self, but in this case, I think everyone should express their opinions on this topic as freely as they like. I would have also loved to see Hitler strung up the same way as well, but no one got to him in time so it could happen, and he was a worse man.

Cap'n 1time, it has also been said that if you have a strong neck and tighten every muscle from jaw to shoulder, you could survive for a few moments, only to slowly strangle to death. The placement of the knot is also key in breaking the neck though. If the knot is behind the head, the neck will almost never break, but can also cause heads to be ripped off. It is usually placed behind the left ear (for unknown reasons to me) for instant/near instant death from all the body weight being violently shifted from one center of gravity to another, using the rope as a pivot point to jerk the head one way and the body the other causing incredible amounts of force to be sent in 2 directions, severing the spinal column/spinal cord at the nearest vertebrae, effectively killing the body instantly and disabling the brain from the abrupt body function cut off (heartbeat, respiration, etc).

Not only that, strangulation deaths due to hanging have been known to cause eyes to pop out and contort the face as well, this is why there are hoods usually placed over the heads of the condemned.

Don't ask, I was in criminal justice for too long.

**Cap'n 1time** · January 3rd, 2007, 19:29

Originally Posted by the_eternal_dark

Cap'n 1time, it has also been said that if you have a strong neck and tighten every muscle from jaw to shoulder, you could survive for a few moments, only to slowly strangle to death. The placement of the knot is also key in breaking the neck though. If the knot is behind the head, the neck will almost never break, but can also cause heads to be ripped off. It is usually placed behind the left ear (for unknown reasons to me) for instant/near instant death from all the body weight being violently shifted from one center of gravity to another, using the rope as a pivot point to jerk the head one way and the body the other causing incredible amounts of force to be sent in 2 directions, severing the spinal column/spinal cord at the nearest vertebrae, effectively killing the body instantly and disabling the brain from the abrupt body function cut off (heartbeat, respiration, etc).

Not only that, strangulation deaths due to hanging have been known to cause eyes to pop out and contort the face as well, this is why there are hoods usually placed over the heads of the condemned.

Don't ask, I was in criminal justice for too long.

pretty gross. I havnt seen the leaked video nor do i wish to see the leaked video so i cant confirm in what way he was executed. I was just making the argument that a man could in fact die instantly via a hanging.

On the topic of him killing women and children in mass genocide, I have heard that alot of the news... but i dont really trust the news or most of the people in charge of the US military. I think until I knew the entire truth I shouldnt pass any sort of judgment on this man. I never will know the truth so I simply cannot comment on this. This is the business of the iraqi people, not crazy US and European speculators. He was no threat to us, in fact we put him in charge. So why does it bother people so much when:

1) They only know what an admittedly troubled bribed and trouble media tells them so.
2) He never did anything to us.
3) He was unable to do anything to us.
4) We chose him in the first place so we obviously trusted him.

I am not defending saddam. I am just suggesting that if we didnt stick our noses into everything that wasnt our business, perhaps we wouldnt CAUSE so many problems.

How do you make terrorists?
You get them to hate you alot.

How do you get terrorists after you when your country is open to all ideologies, religions, freedom of protest and freedom of speech?
You stick your fundamentalist christan nose into everything. (this statment was not pointed at anyone person on this board). Meanwhile you beg for tax cuts, give a small amount of money to charity to avoid more taxes, attack other cultures, and say everyone that isnt a crazy ass person like you is going to hell. And these people think thats what jesus wants... Ironic, they find it so odd that muslims kill over this... but the higher class neo con christians would most certainly vote to go to this meaningless war for three things. Money, To defend america from Weapons of mass distruction, and to free the iraqi people.

Lets make a check list shall we?

Didnt find weapons of mass destruction.

The iraqi people are all in agreement that they were better off without america and actually felt safer without the military there.

all thats left is money. wonderful reason to let thousands of american kids die.

and **** pat robertson

**the_eternal_dark** · January 3rd, 2007, 22:57

Originally Posted by Cap'n 1time

pretty gross. I havnt seen the leaked video nor do i wish to see the leaked video so i cant confirm in what way he was executed. I was just making the argument that a man could in fact die instantly via a hanging.

On the topic of him killing women and children in mass genocide, I have heard that alot of the news... but i dont really trust the news or most of the people in charge of the US military. I think until I knew the entire truth I shouldnt pass any sort of judgment on this man. I never will know the truth so I simply cannot comment on this. This is the business of the iraqi people, not crazy US and European speculators. He was no threat to us, in fact we put him in charge. So why does it bother people so much when:

1) They only know what an admittedly troubled bribed and trouble media tells them so.
2) He never did anything to us.
3) He was unable to do anything to us.
4) We chose him in the first place so we obviously trusted him.

I am not defending saddam. I am just suggesting that if we didnt stick our noses into everything that wasnt our business, perhaps we wouldnt CAUSE so many problems.

How do you make terrorists?
You get them to hate you alot.

How do you get terrorists after you when your country is open to all ideologies, religions, freedom of protest and freedom of speech?
You stick your fundamentalist christan nose into everything. (this statment was not pointed at anyone person on this board). Meanwhile you beg for tax cuts, give a small amount of money to charity to avoid more taxes, attack other cultures, and say everyone that isnt a crazy ass person like you is going to hell. And these people think thats what jesus wants... Ironic, they find it so odd that muslims kill over this... but the higher class neo con christians would most certainly vote to go to this meaningless war for three things. Money, To defend america from Weapons of mass distruction, and to free the iraqi people.

Lets make a check list shall we?

Didnt find weapons of mass destruction.

The iraqi people are all in agreement that they were better off without america and actually felt safer without the military there.

all thats left is money. wonderful reason to let thousands of american kids die.

and **** pat robertson

The news is like the internet, usually fake or way overplayed. I was speaking on the fact that if he was committing genocide, he should have died slowly.

I’m far from a fundamentalist Christian. Hell, I’m not even Christian (or religious at all for that matter), but if the Kurds and other minorities in Iraq wanted him gone so bad and claimed genocide was taking place, how can you argue? I’m against the cruelty towards man, unless that said man deserves it.

I seriously think our reasons for being there are very cloudy at best. I think it was the whole “Look daddy, I got him!” thing for Bush. Waste of life, time, money, and resources.

Props to the Iraqi government to having the balls to do the execution. I was really shocked that they went through with it. I hope they can take over so that we don't have to be there anymore, even though we shouldn't have actually interfered in the first place. Not only that, if they wanted a revolution, they should have taken action and we could have helped them.

**shadowprophet** · January 3rd, 2007, 23:35

Ive been avoiding saying this.
BEcuase its something that is harsh, and I dont like to think about it. And im sure you guys wouldnt want to think about it either.
BUt in this room we all seem to be mature enough. to wrap or minds around this concept.

Saddam was a bad man, Maybe even evil.
But america has no right to go over there and sort out another countries problems. We own america and that is the country we should be concered about.
Menawhile the people over there out of fear of a greater power follow what we tell them too, there between a rock and a hard place and they dont have there own freedoms. they have the freedoms we gave them, which isnt realy freedom at all.
True freedom is allowing them to run there own damned country.

In this world today there are still unthinkible evils that take place. human slavery still exisists in cartain parts of the world, hince the old expression the free world.
Because in truth the entire world isnt free, Every day people somewhere are lined up and executed in front of there familes while they watch there wives and doughters $#@!d before there very eyes.
does this make the world news?
No because in truth. amaeica is frightend of china.
they are a super power too.
You dont see america running over to china with a noble cause screaming war on the unjust.
Because in truth this war was all about a small county that we simply had the power to push around.
And saddams execution was spead up because we are funding there new government. as it stand right now that county is (little america) what kind of freedom is this?!

And if our cause, (americas cause) is all about the moral and just thing to do, how come were not invading those other countries with more power that still pratice human slavery.

people get all cought up in political arguments and cant see the forest for the trees.

this is why I reserve my opinons on topics like this.
bacause anyone with a little heart and a little mind. could figure out that this war had nothing to do with justice.

**Accordion** · January 3rd, 2007, 23:58

i just made a post, but it got deleted by accident...
damm
ill do it tomorrow, too tired now...
shame

**the_eternal_dark** · January 4th, 2007, 08:11

Originally Posted by shadowprophet

Ive been avoiding saying this.
BEcuase its something that is harsh, and I dont like to think about it. And im sure you guys wouldnt want to think about it either.
BUt in this room we all seem to be mature enough. to wrap or minds around this concept.

Saddam was a bad man, Maybe even evil.
But america has no right to go over there and sort out another countries problems. We own america and that is the country we should be concered about.
Menawhile the people over there out of fear of a greater power follow what we tell them too, there between a rock and a hard place and they dont have there own freedoms. they have the freedoms we gave them, which isnt realy freedom at all.
True freedom is allowing them to run there own damned country.

In this world today there are still unthinkible evils that take place. human slavery still exisists in cartain parts of the world, hince the old expression the free world.
Because in truth the entire world isnt free, Every day people somewhere are lined up and executed in front of there familes while they watch there wives and doughters $#@!d before there very eyes.
does this make the world news?
No because in truth. amaeica is frightend of china.
they are a super power too.
You dont see america running over to china with a noble cause screaming war on the unjust.
Because in truth this war was all about a small county that we simply had the power to push around.
And saddams execution was spead up because we are funding there new government. as it stand right now that county is (little america) what kind of freedom is this?!

And if our cause, (americas cause) is all about the moral and just thing to do, how come were not invading those other countries with more power that still pratice human slavery.

people get all cought up in political arguments and cant see the forest for the trees.

this is why I reserve my opinons on topics like this.
bacause anyone with a little heart and a little mind. could figure out that this war had nothing to do with justice.

Some of that I completely forgot about, like the whole bit about China, though I was thinking about certain regions in Africa and South America.

Now that you put it that way, is America plotting something bigger? Something like trying to control the Middle East in the future for fear of shrinking oil reserves? I mean look, Iraq and Afghanistan have been changed by America so far. What's next, a ground invasion of Iran, the UAE, or any other large Middle Eastern country. It could possibly spread even farther. Once an invasion of Iran ensues, this could cause problems with Russia (if Russia is still a close ally with Iran), who may back Iran, and increase the need for troops. We may actually be seeing another World War brewing and not even realize it. It could also turn our allies against us as well, leaving us vastly outnumbered. It's a little far fetched, but it makes me think; suppose it's like a dirty snowball rolling down a mountain, it starts out as a small beautiful thing, then it gains more mass and picks up dirt, stones, more snow, vegetation, and eventually houses and people before ending at the valley in a massive explosion of various objects carried until the end and the resulting pile isn't all that pretty.

Or maybe I'm a conspiracy freak, I don't know....

**nomi** · January 4th, 2007, 12:50

I disagree with the hanging... Why wasnt Saddam taken to the INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE?

**the_eternal_dark** · January 4th, 2007, 14:45

Originally Posted by nomi

I disagree with the hanging... Why wasnt Saddam taken to the INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE?

Who knows, it would have been the better alternative and he would have been formally charged and possibly rotting under a prison for years before getting an execution, if he were proven guilty.