The Proof for Christ's Claims

[kcajblue]

we say that. but we dont mean literally.

[ICE]

its not just that. actually heres a link that names a few. -- http://www.bible.ca/cath-overview-false-teaching.htm

[kcajblue]

#4 about the drinking from the cup is wrong.
anyone who wants to can drink from the cup.
ive seen some little kid drink from it.

[mcvader]

When did I say you were a Protestant??
From the sounds of things you must be the only true christian..... but thats one of the problems with religion, for it to be true every other religion would have to be false.

I never met a Catholic who dosn't think of himself as a Christian, there is no basis for you're claim that they are not and I'm sure that would be very insulting to catholics. They could say the same of you're beliefs.

Sure I'm just voicing my opinion, and so is everybody else incuding yourself, there have been no real fact's in this thread.

What in you're opinion is the true Christianity?? The one you seem to be making up yourself??

In my opinion any religion is just a way to control people based on fear.

If I am wrong than God can do whatever he likes with me, If my being a good peson (yes, in my opinion) throughout my life would send me straight to hell than I'd rather be there than submit myself to a dictator.

[ExcruciationX]

Um, mcvader.

Martin Luther started the Lutheran church.

[tactful mcbee]

catholics is a babylonian branch of religion, which is where 90% of all pagan gods come from. the goddess mother and god child has been renamed throughtout history in every culture. egypt had isis and osiris, india isi and iswara, asia has cybele and deoius, rome had fortuna and boy jupiter, greece had cerea and the great mother. which all came from babylon.

by the way mcvader, how is what we are saying trying to control you? we are saying there is a way to be freed from your sin with just simple faith and repentence.

i know some religions use fear of hell to conform people for their will, but how can our message control you. we get nothing from you if you convert.

if you convert what loss do you have? what do you lose?

[ICE]

When did I say you were a Protestant??
From the sounds of things you must be the only true christian..... but thats one of the problems with religion, for it to be true every other religion would have to be false.

I never met a Catholic who dosn't think of himself as a Christian, there is no basis for you're claim that they are not and I'm sure that would be very insulting to catholics. They could say the same of you're beliefs.

Sure I'm just voicing my opinion, and so is everybody else incuding yourself, there have been no real fact's in this thread.

What in you're opinion is the true Christianity?? The one you seem to be making up yourself??

In my opinion any religion is just a way to control people based on fear.

If I am wrong than God can do whatever he likes with me, If my being a good peson (yes, in my opinion) throughout my life would send me straight to hell than I'd rather be there than submit myself to a dictator.

sorry misunderstood you on the protestant thing. as for me being the only true christian theres probably 2 or 3 more out there lol. (sarcasm. theres a few more than that)

the reality is that its been so corrupted over time that there arent a lot of true christians left.

as for the catholic thing, just because they think they're going to heaven means nothing. yeah that would make them mad. oh well the truth hurts. i have no basis? you clearly read nothing ive posted on it.

the last paragraph is sad. a dictator forces you to do what he wants with nothing in return. g-d simply ASKS that you accept his offer and if you do you're off the hook.

the truth is that we all have sinned and fallen short. no one is perfect and g-d knows that. the problem is that he is g-d and he is perfect. he is light we are dark. notice i said WE not you lol. light and dark cannot mingle so we need someone to pay our way in.

the punishment for sin is death. hell. jesus accepted that punishment for all of us and all you have to do is accept him. the cool part is that if you really accept him your going to realize "man im in debt to this guy!!!" so your going to try your hardest to be a good person and follow the rules. its a choice.

#4 about the drinking from the cup is wrong.
anyone who wants to can drink from the cup.
ive seen some little kid drink from it.

ok well each church has variations on beliefs and practices. is that the only one?

[ExcruciationX]

Keep in mind folks, there are some good things that come out of religion...

It unites people. It makes you feel happy, and allows you to interact with people that share the same beliefs as you. It also diminishes your fear of death, which is good for your overall mental health.

[gdf]

i don't mind if people are religious, but saying you'll get a free ride to heaven is the wrong reason to be religious. i seriously hope the ice man isn't one of those "just in case people". also if you are saying catholics aren't true christians i'm not sure if i agree. however much i despise the catholic church and how different sects are made from the same religion, i think this is wrong. saying that you could also argue that christianity isn't a true religion as it never existed in the time of jesus. jesus was a jew, obvious i know but it has to be said as a reminder. also, if you are looking for counters, this whole thread has been counter after counter, with some dog stuff, then more counters. here are a few counters. religion is MAGIC. i don't expect to see harry potter strolling in the door any time soon. jesus was either i) VERY clever, ii) crazy, iii) stupid or iv) a bit of all of these. can you honestly believe a dude walked on water or came back from the dead. this is magic, not scientific fact. the bible was written over a period of 1500 years by loads of different people, is full of missinterpritations and half truths and is very exaggerated. another point is that religion was thought up by people in tribes. they wanted control of the tribe as the leaders were always the strongest men, but when they said that they were told to lead everyone or let the tribesmen be smited they got control. i have counters for almost any point you make. don't underestimate the atheists!!

EDIT: i also hate the whole idea of "we are born sinners" thing. how negative.

[Shadowblind]

The Trinity had simple roots. Nowhere in the bible does ANYTHING support the idea that god, Jesus and the holy spirit are the same being. Constantine made the Trinity due to pagan religions often having 3 main gods. That way, many more people, pagan or otherwise, would join.