The Proof for Christ's Claims

[ICE]

christianity wasnt around when jesus was here becuase he hadnt died yet. the whole basis for our beliefs is on the fact that he died for us. that wouldnt work if he hadnt done it yet.

i'll say it again catholics arent christians lol. if you have a question as to why ask.

yeah the concept of being a born sinner is negative but its true. can anyone here say that they've lived a perfect sinless life? i doubt it lol.

as for jesus being clever or crazy for claiming to perform miracles.. there were eye witnesses. dont say the bible was mistranslated because its 98% textually correct. honestly it takes more faith to be atheist then to be christian. ive tried both and one makes more since then the other.

im not calling anyone stupid or anything negative like that. i simply disagree with the idea of everything being one huge coincidence.


EDIT: ive noticed a lot of people are assuming that what mainstream "christians" believe is what tactful and myself believe. we may disagree here and there but we're fairly similar.

basically if you wanna know what WE think on a certain belief or on a topic ask away.

[tsimehC]

Ok Ice Man, sorry for my limited knowledge in Christianity but doesn't it say somewhere in the Bible that Jesus (peace be upon him) will undergo the same thing Jonah did in the whale? If you can please clarify.

[ICE]

Ok Ice Man, sorry for my limited knowledge in Christianity but doesn't it say somewhere in the Bible that Jesus (peace be upon him) will undergo the same thing Jonah did in the whale? If you can please clarify.

um im not sure actually. if there is im sure tactful will know so STAY TUNED! lol he should be on in the morning or so.

if there is i think its something like in the sense that they both went through HUGE trials. jonah was swallowed by a whale(actually is was probably a shark that has since gone extinct) and jesus was well ya know.

EDIT: sorry i was a bit slow on this one mcvader lol i over looked it.

you what the true christianity was and if it was what i appear to be making up. im not making anything up.

over time groups that started out christian slowly were corrupted to the point that they arent anymore. all i am doing is TRYING to get back to where it all began. i want to find the beliefs of the FIRST christian group and follow them. it is logical that the first group should be the most pure and therefore the most correct.

[Jeremysr]

Ok Ice Man, sorry for my limited knowledge in Christianity but doesn't it say somewhere in the Bible that Jesus (peace be upon him) will undergo the same thing Jonah did in the whale? If you can please clarify.

1. Jesus died on the cross/Jonah was swallowed by a big fish.
2. Jesus was in the tomb for 3 days/Jonah was in the fish's stomach for 3 days.
3. Jesus rose from the dead after the 3rd day/Jonah was spat out of the fish on the 3rd day.

Those are the similarities I think...

over time groups that started out christian slowly were corrupted to the point that they arent anymore. all i am doing is TRYING to get back to where it all began. i want to find the beliefs of the FIRST christian group and follow them. it is logical that the first group should be the most pure and therefore the most correct.

The beliefs of true christians are what the Bible says. Find a church (like mine) that only teaches from the Bible, instead of things made up by people. I think that's what you're looking for...

[ICE]

Jeremysr, finding a church like that is easier said than done. ive visited probably close to 50 with no luck lol

[gdf]

christianity wasnt around when jesus was here becuase he hadnt died yet. the whole basis for our beliefs is on the fact that he died for us. that wouldnt work if he hadnt done it yet.

i'll say it again catholics arent christians lol. if you have a question as to why ask.

yeah the concept of being a born sinner is negative but its true. can anyone here say that they've lived a perfect sinless life? i doubt it lol.

as for jesus being clever or crazy for claiming to perform miracles.. there were eye witnesses. dont say the bible was mistranslated because its 98% textually correct. honestly it takes more faith to be atheist then to be christian. ive tried both and one makes more since then the other.

im not calling anyone stupid or anything negative like that. i simply disagree with the idea of everything being one huge coincidence.


EDIT: ive noticed a lot of people are assuming that what mainstream "christians" believe is what tactful and myself believe. we may disagree here and there but we're fairly similar.

basically if you wanna know what WE think on a certain belief or on a topic ask away.

to be an atheist is easy. i just used my brain and thought "wow, religion is a pile of $#@!". i honestly can't beleive that jesus walked on water, the earth is just a few thousand years old etc. anyway, who is to say the bible isn't a pile of fictuous crap as it was written under such odd circumstances. religion is so negative yet refuses to use it's brain and decide that it is infact impossible to come back to life after three days of death without some sort of futuristic medical technology.

[tactful mcbee]

jonah's real life experience became a metaphor and prophecy of what the future messiah would do.
For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. the peace that you talk of isn't mentioned in that situation, but jesus does talk about peace a lot.

and gdf if you can give evidence to be atheist, then you make yourself an ignorant moron that you say we are. all you did is quote are reasons and said their stupid. give us reasons your right.

The Trinity had simple roots. Nowhere in the bible does ANYTHING support the idea that god, Jesus and the holy spirit are the same being. Constantine made the Trinity due to pagan religions often having 3 main gods. That way, many more people, pagan or otherwise, would join.

you are obvious a jehovah's witness. trinity is not said in the bible, but the idea is. the father, jesus, and holy spirit are either called god or call themselves god and the bible says there is one god. jesus said before abraham was i am, which was a direct quote from exodus where god said in the burning bush you shall call me i am that i am. jehovah witnesses try to say jesus said i have been due to the perfect indefinit tense of the word, but they seem to overlook that there is no perfect indefinit tense in greek. the holy spirit is said in acts that he is a person and is god. 3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, why have you let Satan fill your heart? You lied to the Holy Spirit, and you kept some of the money for yourself. 4 The property was yours to sell or not sell, as you wished. And after selling it, the money was also yours to give away. How could you do a thing like this? You weren’t lying to us but to God!” you can't lie to a force it has to be a person.

i can also answer most questions about jehovah witness's

ps hey iceman, can you believe daisy got ran over. man i'm mad...

[ICE]

to be an atheist is stupid. i just used my brain and thought "wow, religion is a pile of wonderfulness". i honestly beleive that jesus walked on water, the earth is just a few thousand years old etc. anyway, who is to say the bible isn't a pile of historical documents written by reliable people. religion is so positive and uses to use it's brain and decide that it is infact possible to come back to life after three days of death WHEN YOUR G-d!!!!

man seriously give reasons that arent just opinions. who the crap here said that the earth was thousands of years old? as tactful said earlier the bible is known by everyone, atheist AND christian, to be 98% textually pure. quite assuming that you know what christians believe and start researching things before you go calling them things.

when you just call religions the things you did you come across quite childish.

hehehe i like your post better that way ^^

[tactful mcbee]

yea seriously gdf, you could at least go to an atheist website with "factual evidence" and copy and paste so we can rebuke it. your making it a simple argument when it could be an intellectual debate. debates are interesting (and i think fun), but arguments are pointless and boring.

seriously, give us your best. i'm not being arrogant, i just like studying and helping others understand our beliefs.

no question will offend us as long as its asked in a respectful manor.

[ExcruciationX]

to be an atheist is easy. i just used my brain and thought "wow, religion is a pile of $#@!". i honestly can't beleive that jesus walked on water, the earth is just a few thousand years old etc. anyway, who is to say the bible isn't a pile of fictuous crap as it was written under such odd circumstances. religion is so negative yet refuses to use it's brain and decide that it is infact impossible to come back to life after three days of death without some sort of futuristic medical technology.

You are some what right, but you shouldn't call it a "pile of $#@!" just because you don't believe in it.