The Proof for Christ's Claims

[tactful mcbee]

no offence intended, but how can you say christianity doesn't comfort you. when simple faith and repentance is a guarantee for eternal bliss with the creator.

[bullhead]

I say that because I don't trust what people tell me. I dont believe either that an all seeing, all knowing, all powerful and loving being, would throw a soul to eternal damnation just because it didn't believe its fellow man.
I know you say its Gods word through man, but that in itself is told to us by man, so how can we know?
Faith right?
I'd rather live a full life, and take from it what I will to enjoy myself. So at the end, I can say, "wow, that was quite fun!" I dont think a compassionate being would condemn pleasure. I dont think a compassionate being would have me perpetuallay tortured for eternity for not listening to what he is told.
If God is this vengeful beast, then God is dead, then God and Satan are one in the same.

[tactful mcbee]

This question raises many issues. If God is all loving, why would He send people to hell? What is hell? Is it a place of eternal torment? Why create creatures knowing they will end up in an eternity of damnation? Is God helpless to save them all?
Often times, skeptics try and present an idea so that fairness and compassion necessitate that the Christian God cannot be real. For example, they sometimes say that a truly loving God would not create people He knew would go to eternal punishment. Of course this is only an opinion, but it is sometime raised nonetheless. As one skeptic put it, "If God truly loves us (this sacrificial love you talk about) then he would simply say 'I do not want the child to be born'. He is in control and has that ability doesn't he? As I would not wish any of my children who I love to go through a life of agonizing pain." The main problem with such an approach is that it is overly simplistic and based on emotionalism, not scripture. So, let's look at what the Word of God says.
First of all, when God made Adam, He made him good. Adam had the freedom to choose to obey or disobey God. Adam is the one who rebelled. God did not make him rebel and God is not responsible for Adam's rebellion. It would be like a parent having a child knowing that the child would eventually disobey the parent. Does this means that the parent is responsible for the child's rebellion when it occurs because the parent knew it would happen? Of course not. Furthermore, if the parent has more children, does he/she not know that some children may very well turn out good and others bad? Should the parents then not have children because some of them might turn out bad? The skeptic, if he is consistent, would urge parents not to have any children at all lest some of them turn out bad.
But the skeptic might say, "But God knows for a fact who will be bad and good. Why allow the people going to hell to be born in the first place?" But, if this is the case and if God arranged it that no "bad" people were born, then we would all go to hell. You see, Jesus is the only way to be forgiven of our sins. His sacrifice on the cross was necessary in order to make it possible for us to be saved because everyone, "good" and "bad" has sinned. If there were no "bad" people born, then there wouldn't be any "bad" people around who would have sent Jesus to the cross. If that never happened, then we wouldn't be saved from our sins because Jesus would never have been unjustly condemned and His sacrifice would never have happened.
Second, if someone says that it is wrong for God to allow someone to be born who will go to hell, then would he rather have God remove our freedom to rebel against Him so that no one can be blamed for sin? If the critic says he only want those people born who go to heaven, then how are they truly free and how would that fulfill the ultimate plan of God to sacrifice His Son for the redemption of mankind?
Third, God could have reasons for sending people to hell that we cannot understand.
Fourth, God is just and always does what is right. Therefore, sending people to hell is the right thing to do, especially when we understand that God is eternally holy and those who sin against God incur an infinite offense because the infinite God is the one who is offended.
Finally, the Bible simply tells us that people will go to hell. They go there because they are not covered by the sacrifice of Christ. Whether or not they are created or not does not effect the fact that sinners must be punished; otherwise, the holiness and righteousness of God mean nothing.

[bullhead]

Again, I believe that every point you have raised is based on things you have been told by man, you have been told how to think, and if you dont think like this, the bogey-man will get you. That is, in my experience, what it comes down to.

[ExcruciationX]

(dont worry EX im not being mean, you are a superb chap!

Thank you.

At the end of my life I will be happy, and will go back to non-existence. That seems like the best after-life to me.

[bullhead]

really? I couldnt imagine anything more terrifying than oblivion!

[ExcruciationX]

Well, you're at peace. And you can't think about it, since you don't have a brain. It doesn't bother me.

[bullhead]

wow

[tactful mcbee]

think of the price you will pay if your wrong. is it worth it

[ICE]

yeah there is some proof for atheism, however, there is more proof for christianity. actually if you look into it there are a large number of physicists who are christians.

saying that christianity is incapable of explaining everything in detail is, no offense, ignorant. i have spent more time studying "science"(ie. quantum physics and various other fields of science) than the actually bible... and guess what. THEY LINE UP PERFECTLY.

G-d made the laws of science. all of them. i, for one, believe that when jesus performed a miracle the was some logic behind it. when he healed someone it wasnt really just magic. there is literally one thing in the entire bible that requires "faith". everything else can be explained with logic and reason.

the one thing is the resurrection. there is ample proof for EVERYTHING surrounding the resurrection but that is the only science defying event in the bible. that is where faith comes in.

if the whole bible is backed by science(it is if you study it) except ONE event.. then well i honestly think it takes more blind faith to be atheist then to be a christian.

EDIT: mcvader, i dont even no where to start. your post was utterly shocking in its ignorance. and whats worse is someone agrees! i cannot believe that there are this many people here with that little knowledge and yet they insist on talking about it!!

mc, literally everything you said makes no sense. your blatantly lying out of ignorance. please until you actually have studied, NOT FROM A BIASED SOURCE AS MOST OF YOU CLEARLY HAVE, dont post here please.

EDIT x2: bull, yes the bible was written by people.. but what the crap man?? how do you think we got science? it fell from the sky? nope... um yeah people wrote those books and studied these things.

next time you want to disprove our beliefs then maybe try and come up something that doesn't apply TO NEARLY EVERYTHING!! lol