The Proof for Christ's Claims

[eazy-e]

i will answer your questions, but i'm still waiting on your answers.

why did he have to die?

God is infinite.
There is no limit to Him. He is endless.
God is holy.
Holiness is purity. God is incapable of doing anything wrong. Part of the quality of holiness is the inability to do wrong.
God is just.
He always does what is right.
God cannot violate His own righteous declarations, because that would mean God is contradicting Himself.
This justice is according to His nature since it is He is who tells us what is right and wrong.
Therefore, God is infinitely holy and infinitely just
Neither His holiness nor justice can be denied since they are part of His character and God cannot be denied.
We are not infinite and not holy
We are not infinite because we are creations.
We are not holy because we have sinned.
Sin is doing anything against God's Law.
It is God who declares what is right and wrong. He has revealed this to us in the scriptures.
The Law is a reflection of God's character.
God speaks out of what is in His mind and heart. If He says do not lie, it is because it is against God's nature to lie.
God is not speaking without reason or purpose. If He had no reason or purpose, this would mean that God is not trustworthy.
God is trustworthy, therefore God's Law is the standard of perfection, justice, and holiness.
God's Law carries a penalty upon the sinner which is damnation.
Damnation is the act of God where He passes righteous judgment upon a person because of the person's sin against Him.
If breaking God's law did not carry a penalty, then there would be no damnation. But since there is damnation, we can conclude that breaking God's law carries a penalty.
If He did not damn based upon righteousness, then God is doing wrong. Since God cannot do anything wrong, then damnation is righteous.
God is affected by what we do.
Proof of this is found in our prayers. Since God answers our prayers, our prayers have an affect upon God because God is moved to answer.
If our prayers have no affect upon God, then prayer is useless since it accomplishes nothing.
Breaking God's Law, sinning, has a negative effect upon our relationship with God.
God is not injured in a physical way by our sins since God is spirit, perfect, and complete.
But, since damnation exists (because of the justice of God), we can conclude that sin has a negative affect upon the relationship between the sinner and God. If this were not so, there would be no damnation.
Since God is infinite, our offense against Him has an infinite effect.
It is the infinite God we have offended, therefore, the sin results in an infinite offense against God.
A finite person cannot remove an infinite offense against an infinite God.
A finite work cannot remove an infinite offense because the effort of a finite person will always fall short of meeting the justice of an infinite God.
God cannot arbitrarily forgive the sinner without satisfying His infinite justice.
If damnation is righteously given because of justice, so too, forgiveness must be in accordance with justice because both are dealing with sin.
To simply dismiss sin in order to forgive is to deny justice.
If forgiveness is not consistent with God's justice, then God is arbitrary, inconsistent, and unjust.
Therefore, the act of forgiveness also requires an act of justice.
Since it is just that the sinner die and be damned, this justice cannot be ignored.
If it were ignored, then God is not being consistent in His justice.
If it were ignored, then God has no right to damn anyone.
No one is damned who is alive. Only the dead are damned.
Since man cannot earn forgiveness from God through his finite works, it must be God who makes forgiveness possible.
This is so, because there is no one left to make things right, other than God.
Since it is not just to ignore the penalty for sin, and since man cannot satisfy God, there is none left but God to pay for the just penalty of sin.
The sin cannot be ignored because the act of forgiveness also requires and act of justice.
This justice cannot be ignored because God would then be inconsistent.
It is just that the sinner die and suffer judgment.
Death is a punishment of God and damnation follows death.
Since it is just that sin must be dealt with, God must meet that requirement of justice.
This is so, because a finite person cannot please and infinite God's just requirements of holiness and purity.
God must then do what is just in forgiveness of sins or justice cannot be met.
God must then take the place of the sinner and suffer the consequence of the lawful judgment of death upon the sinner.
With justice met, forgiveness can then be rightly given.
This forgiveness, which cannot be earned by man's effort, can only be received from God by man's faith - because there is nothing else he can do.

that is why he died but you also ask how can god or part of god die? most people don't understand the idea of death. his body died but not the soul, he made his body alive again, which is the resurrection.

why did he pray and submit?

HE WAS OUR EXAMPLE!!! he didn't rebuke the man for calling him good. he realized the man didn't know he was God and therefore made him realize that no man can be good.

the easiest way to explain the trinity is water.
h2o is the chemical makeup, but it can be ice(solid), water(liquid), and vapor(gas). it is the same in nature and makeup but different in its presence. and if you look up the triple point of water they can exist at the time in each form.l

now you prove me wrong

r u waiting for my answers brotha??

[tactful mcbee]

whenever you are ready.

[LilSwish722]

At this time, I see many flaws in your arguement. I mean, I'm not claiming what I'm saying is perfect but I can make more sense outta Christianity that Islam.

[SSaxdude]

What does Islam give you that the other two monotheistic religions don't? There must be something, hence why it's the fastest growing religion.

[ICE]

um its the fastest growing religion because its the native religion in the most populated countries in the world.

[Froogle]

What does Islam give you that the other two monotheistic religions don't? There must be something, hence why it's the fastest growing religion.

Very good Question!! Someone who is thinking wow. I will tell you what it gives me as a Muslim. It gives me complete and perfect understanding of my Creator without any flaws. The religion does not say God is man, God is anything that resembles his Creation. God is one and only one without partner. It encourages me to worship the Creator not any creation and to perform the good deeds to please Him. To ask for forgivenss and not put my sins on other people's shoulders. The main words of God -Quran that is memorized by millions word for word explains who our Creator is without ANY contradictions. In short, I know my creation and how to live my life by following the example his LAST messenger as best as I can. If you just learn about the Messenger you would be amazed about his perfect character.

[ICE]

Very good Question!! Someone who is thinking wow. I will tell you what it gives me as a Muslim. It gives me complete and perfect understanding of my Creator without any flaws. The religion does not say God is man, God is anything that resembles his Creation. God is one and only one without partner. It encourages me to worship the Creator not any creation and to perform the good deeds to please Him. To ask for forgivenss and not put my sins on other people's shoulders. The main words of God -Quran that is memorized by millions word for word explains who our Creator is without ANY contradictions. In short, I know my creation and how to live my life by following the example his LAST messenger as best as I can. If you just learn about the Messenger you would be amazed about his perfect character.

um pretty sure its what i said a bit ago lol.

# The Qur'an says "To those who believe and do deeds of righteousness hath Allah promised forgiveness and a great reward" (Surah 5:9).

Are you doing enough good deeds to receive salvation on the Day of Judgment?
Are you doing all you can or are you relaxing in your dedication to Allah?

# The Qur'an says, "O ye who believe! Turn unto Allah in sincere repentance! It may be that your Lord will remit from you your evil deeds and bring you into Gardens underneath which rivers flow, on the day when Allah will not abase the Prophet and those who believe with him. Their light will run before them and on their right hands; they will say: Our Lord! Perfect our light for us, and forgive us! Lo! Thou art Able to do all things," (66:8-9). Notice how it says if you are sincere you may receive forgiveness.

How do you know you are sincere enough to be forgiven of Allah?
Does it give you peace to know that even if you are very sincere that at best, you may receive forgiveness?
If you say that you know you are sincere enough in your repentance before Allah, how do you know you are not deceiving yourself?
Is your heart really good enough to muster enough sincerity before a Holy and Righteous God?
If you say yes, I honestly and humbly ask you, "Are you being prideful?"
If you say you are not being prideful, then are you boasting in your sincerity?

hmm and you say that you feel secure??

[LilSwish722]

Ok. I must ask the Muslims on this site a few questions. Do you believe Jesus was a prophet?

[tactful mcbee]

Jesus Muhammad
Death Jesus died and rose from the dead Muhammad died and stayed dead.
Fighting Jesus never fought Muhammad fought many many times
Hearing from God When Jesus heard from God he went to the desert to be tempted and began his ministry with boldness, (Mark 1:14-15). When Muhammad heard from God (through an angel) he cowered, was uncertain, and wanted to commit suicide (Quran 74:1-5)
Identity Jesus claimed to be God (John 8:24; 8:58) as well as a man.
Jesus claimed to be the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6). Muhammad claimed to be a man.
Instructions Received From God the Father (John 5:19) From an angel
Killing Jesus never killed anyone Muhammad killed many
Life Jesus had the power to take life, but never did. He restored it. Muhammad had the power to take it, but he never restored it.

No one ever died in Jesus' presence Many people died in Muhammad's presence -- he killed them.
Marriage Jesus never married Muhammad had over 20 wives and even married a nine year old girl.
Ministry Jesus received his calling from God directly (Matt. 3:17).
Jesus received his commission in the daylight
Muhammad received it from an angel (Gabriel)
Muhammad received his words in the darkness of a cave.

Ministry Length Jesus taught for 3 1/2 years Muhammad taught for more than 20 years
Miracles Jesus performed many miracles including healing people, calming a storm with a command, and raising people from the dead. Muhammad's only alleged miracle was the Quran.
Prophecy Jesus fulfilled biblical prophecy about being the Messiah Muhammad did not fulfill any biblical prophecy except the ones about false teachers (Matt. 24:24).
Sacrifice Jesus voluntarily laid his life down for others Muhammad saved his own life many times and had others killed.
Sin Jesus never sinned (1 Pet. 2:22) Muhammad was a sinner (Quran 40:55; 48:1-2)
Slaves Jesus owned no slaves Muhammad owned slaves.
Virgin Birth Jesus was virgin born Muhammad was not virgin born.
Voice of God Jesus received and heard the direct voice of God (Mark 1:10-11) Muhammad did not receive or hear the direct voice of God. It was an angel instead.
Women Jesus spoke well of women Muhammad said women were were 1/2 as smart as men (Hadith 3:826; 2:541), that the majority in hell will be women (Had. 1:28,301; 2:161; 7:124), and that women could be mortgaged.

There is no comparison between Jesus and Muhammad. Muhammad falls so far short, that he cannot be held on any level remotely close to Jesus. Muhammad is clearly inferior to Christ.

[ICE]

Jesus Muhammad
Death Jesus died and rose from the dead Muhammad died and stayed dead.
Fighting Jesus never fought Muhammad fought many many times
Hearing from God When Jesus heard from God he went to the desert to be tempted and began his ministry with boldness, (Mark 1:14-15). When Muhammad heard from God (through an angel) he cowered, was uncertain, and wanted to commit suicide (Quran 74:1-5)
Identity Jesus claimed to be God (John 8:24; 8:58) as well as a man.
Jesus claimed to be the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6). Muhammad claimed to be a man.
Instructions Received From God the Father (John 5:19) From an angel
Killing Jesus never killed anyone Muhammad killed many
Life Jesus had the power to take life, but never did. He restored it. Muhammad had the power to take it, but he never restored it.

No one ever died in Jesus' presence Many people died in Muhammad's presence -- he killed them.
Marriage Jesus never married Muhammad had over 20 wives and even married a nine year old girl.
Ministry Jesus received his calling from God directly (Matt. 3:17).
Jesus received his commission in the daylight
Muhammad received it from an angel (Gabriel)
Muhammad received his words in the darkness of a cave.

Ministry Length Jesus taught for 3 1/2 years Muhammad taught for more than 20 years
Miracles Jesus performed many miracles including healing people, calming a storm with a command, and raising people from the dead. Muhammad's only alleged miracle was the Quran.
Prophecy Jesus fulfilled biblical prophecy about being the Messiah Muhammad did not fulfill any biblical prophecy except the ones about false teachers (Matt. 24:24).
Sacrifice Jesus voluntarily laid his life down for others Muhammad saved his own life many times and had others killed.
Sin Jesus never sinned (1 Pet. 2:22) Muhammad was a sinner (Quran 40:55; 48:1-2)
Slaves Jesus owned no slaves Muhammad owned slaves.
Virgin Birth Jesus was virgin born Muhammad was not virgin born.
Voice of God Jesus received and heard the direct voice of God (Mark 1:10-11) Muhammad did not receive or hear the direct voice of God. It was an angel instead.
Women Jesus spoke well of women Muhammad said women were were 1/2 as smart as men (Hadith 3:826; 2:541), that the majority in hell will be women (Had. 1:28,301; 2:161; 7:124), and that women could be mortgaged.

There is no comparison between Jesus and Muhammad. Muhammad falls so far short, that he cannot be held on any level remotely close to Jesus. Muhammad is clearly inferior to Christ.

"and jesus with the hay-maker of a right hand turns muhammad's lights out!!!! what a fight!!! jesus is STILL the champ!!! woooo"

please dont hit me muslims...

^^^^
joking