The Proof for Christ's Claims

[Accordion]

has anyone proven the book wrong? you guys have tried but the only things youve come up with are quotes from catholics and changing red to reed which is completely irrelevant.

my "perception" is that no one has proven us wrong or even given one reason we're wrong other than "god is fake" or "thats illogical". i think the issue here is your perception. you dont HONESTLY want a god and therefore you shut out the possibility of him.

has anyone proven the book 'true'?

or more importantly has anyone tried?

all judgment is inherently void due to its origin
all judgement is inherited!

but surely a view with most sources of greater breadth would be more universal than a view from a single window
– does a person who is locked in a room, with only one window have the wider view than a person who has a window on every wall of the room?

perhaps having infinite space to move is not such an advantage if you can only follow one path?
surely a small space which looks onto all else is more benificial...even if you become stuck as you marvel at the view!

[ICE]

has anyone proven the book 'true'?

or more importantly has anyone tried?

all judgment is inherently void due to its origin
all judgement is inherited!

but surely a view with most sources of greater breadth would be more universal than a view from a single window
– does a person who is locked in a room, with only one window have the wider view than a person who has a window on every wall of the room?

perhaps having infinite space to move is not such an advantage if you can only follow one path?
surely a small space which looks onto all else is more benificial...even if you become stuck as you marvel at the view!

im not sure what your trying to say due to all the abstract metaphors. if your saying im closed minded your wrong. close minded would be completely closing out all other choices besides christianity which i have not done. i have studied most religions and made my choice. i simply wish to input my knowledge on the topic which i have. i didnt intend to be attacked over and over and told how dumb i am. i only wanted to input my opinion and evidently im not alone.

[Accordion]

im not sure what your trying to say due to all the abstract metaphors. if your saying im closed minded your wrong. close minded would be completely closing out all other choices besides christianity which i have not done. i have studied most religions and made my choice. i simply wish to input my knowledge on the topic which i have. i didnt intend to be attacked over and over and told how dumb i am. i only wanted to input my opinion and evidently im not alone.

i have not called you dumb, though you have to me!

is not a selection another way of refusal?

it used to be that only regular baked beans existed. then it was possible to obtain mexican stlye baked beans, and tikka beans among others. i was more than happy with regular baked beans, they were good! i tried the mexican beans and they were good! i tried the tikka beans and they were good!

now i eat many types of baked beans! and all are good!

of course many baked beans have unfortunate effects, so i dont only eat beans, i eat many things.

and all are very good!

especially when mixed!

[gdf]

well done accordion, you make good, educated and sensible points. i angered people with my hilariously "distasteful" language. someone tried to neg rep me but i only got blue! AHAHAHAHAHA!!! what irritates me in this thread is that the christians say the atheists are just saying opinions, well religion is one huge opinion is it not? what you say is opinion. instead of trying to provide feeble evidence from an old tome, the arguments against you are that you must use logic, "how can an all singing all dancing eternal being that is bigger than the universe and can't be felt and is invisible and CONTROLS our lives and....... (2 hours and 30 pages later) left his own people to DIE possibly exist." it defies all logic and destroys every scientific theory since humans came into existance.

[ICE]

i have not called you dumb, though you have to me!

is not a selection another way of refusal?

it used to be that only regular baked beans existed. then it was possible to obtain mexican stlye baked beans, and tikka beans among others. i was more than happy with regular baked beans, they were good! i tried the mexican beans and they were good! i tried the tikka beans and they were good!

now i eat many types of baked beans! and all are good!

of course many baked beans have unfortunate effects, so i dont only eat beans, i eat many things.

and all are very good!

especially when mixed!

when did i call you dumb? if i did im sure it was sarcasm.
anywho if your trying to tell me to accept all religions as equal then dont. truth is not relative.

well done accordion, you make good, educated and sensible points. i angered people with my hilariously "distasteful" language. someone tried to neg rep me but i only got blue! AHAHAHAHAHA!!! what irritates me in this thread is that the christians say the atheists are just saying opinions, well religion is one huge opinion is it not? what you say is opinion. instead of trying to provide feeble evidence from an old tome, the arguments against you are that you must use logic, "how can an all singing all dancing eternal being that is bigger than the universe and can't be felt and is invisible and CONTROLS our lives and....... (2 hours and 30 pages later) left his own people to DIE possibly exist." it defies all logic and destroys every scientific theory since humans came into existance.

you clearly dont understand so im not going to show you where youre wrong. i have tried and you dont get it. youve tried and i get it but its still wrong so why dont we both stop trying?

[gdf]

nah i like trying to turn religious people around onto the one holy path of the giant frog monster in the religion of Spawnhammudity. hail the frog.I found some really old, incosistent book and i'm taking it too seriously. the frog almighty will show me the way and the only way to have the afterlife is to dedicate yourself to the mighty fr-g. then you will go to the mighty swamp and live amongst his other spawn. His greatest spawn was the mighty Spawnhammud and he died for us 2000 years ago. the frogly book is 98% textually pure and the frog monster is immense. He created all life, He sees all. you will burrrrrrn in froggy hell if you don't follow his ways.

::rofl::

[Accordion]

truth is not relative.

as i have already explained, truth is impossible because we as humans are not capable of removing our reflections from our own gaze. all we see, speak, hear, think, do, is through ourselves and can never be anything more.

i pick fault not with you, your peers, your religion, nor anyone. only with the assumption that we must have boundaries to progress.

more importantly, why should such progression be invasive and expanding, the progress along a point though itself will surely bring more pleasure?

surely when so many religions are based upon the foundation that humans are not the prime form, should enable its followers to see that they can never understand matters which do not eminate from themselves, and because of which they can never be more than human.

Even if you believe you can see past yourself, and through the whole of the society which cages us all,
you say truth is not relative, so truth cannot have many forms. so why only look in one place; where your chances of finding truth are 1 in infinite.

[ICE]

as i have already explained, truth is impossible because we as humans are not capable of removing our reflections from our own gaze. all we see, speak, hear, think, do, is through ourselves and can never be anything more.

i pick fault not with you, your peers, your religion, nor anyone. only with the assumption that we must have boundaries to progress.

more importantly, why should such progression be invasive and expanding, the progress along a point though itself will surely bring more pleasure?

surely when so many religions are based upon the foundation that humans are not the prime form, should enable its followers to see that they can never understand matters which do not eminate from themselves, and because of which they can never be more than human.

Even if you believe you can see past yourself, and through the whole of the society which cages us all,
you say truth is not relative, so truth cannot have many forms. so why only look in one place; where your chances of finding truth are 1 in infinite.

if you wanna believe that your are nothing go right ahead but dont try and convince me that im nothing too. youve made your point. i disagree but you still made it.

[Accordion]

if you wanna believe that your are nothing go right ahead but dont try and convince me that im nothing too. youve made your point. i disagree but you still made it.

i clearly have not made any point at all. and it is very clear you do not understand and do not want to.

[gdf]

we are all nothing. that is the point, we all try to make our small contributions to life and the continuation of the existence of our race and be more than nothing. few have achieved this so far.