The Proof for Christ's Claims

[ICE]

i clearly have not made any point at all. and it is very clear you do not understand and do not want to.

so your saying you typed all that and never made a point? just wasting our time? also if you didnt make a point how could i not want to understand? i mean i cant understand a point you didnt make therefore i also coudnt choose to disregard a point you didnt make.

we are all nothing. that is the point, we all try to make our small contributions to life and the continuation of the existence of our race and be more than nothing. few have achieved this so far.

thats where your wrong. if you are nothing you can never achieve something so great that you become something. if we are all here because something randomly exploded billions of years ago and all this just fell together then you are worthless. nothing you can ever do will ever be worth anything. anything you ever feel is nothing.

[gdf]

then who cares? just accept that and move on.

[Accordion]

i mean i cant understand a point you didnt make therefore i also coudnt choose to disregard a point you didnt make.
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exactly
i didnt make the point you seem to think i did, therefore you cant understand it.

but you also refuse to try to understand what i did say

in what way can me talking of progression lead you to believe i think i am nothing??? how can nothing progress

i merely accept my humanity over my imagination, knowing both with eat each other, at least that is what myself leads me to believe!
is it not apparant i wish to progress not for others, but for myself, as that is all i have been, currently am and will continue to be

[ICE]

then who cares? just accept that and move on.

no comment

[tactful mcbee]

How do you respond to someone's claim that the Bible is not inspired? Is there a way to prove inspiration or, at least, intelligently present evidence for its inspiration? The answer is "Yes!" One of the best ways to prove inspiration is by examining prophecy. There are many religious books in the world that have many good things to say. But only the Bible has fulfilled prophecies--with more fulfillments to come. The Bible has never been wrong in the past, and it won't be wrong in the future. It claims inspiration from God (2 Tim. 3:16). Since God is the creator of all things (Isaiah 44:24), then He is also the creator of time. It is under His control. Only God, then, would always be right about what is in the future, our future.

Fulfilled prophecy is strong evidence that God is the author of the Bible because when you look at the mathematical odds of prophecy being fulfilled, you quickly see a design, a purpose, and a guiding hand behind the Bible. If just one prophecy failed, then we would know that God is not the true God, because the creator of all things, which includes time, would not be wrong about predicting the future. Deut. 18:22 says, "If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously," (NIV). Isaiah 46:9-10 says, "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please."

One approach to use with an unbeliever is to turn to Psalm 22 and read verses 12-18. This is a detailed description of the crucifixion--1000 years before Jesus was born. After you read the section ask him what it was about. He'll say, "The crucifixion of Jesus." Then respond with something like, "You're right. This is about the crucifixion. But it was written 1000 years before Jesus was born. And on top of that, crucifixion hadn't even been invented yet. How do you think something like this could happen?" After a brief discussion, you could show him (or her) a few other prophecies like where Jesus' birthplace was prophesied (Micah 5:2), that He would be born of a virgin (Isaiah 7:14), that His side would be pierced (Zech. 12:10), etc.
The following probabilities are taken from Peter Stoner in Science Speaks (Moody Press, 1963) to show that coincidence is ruled out by the science of probability. Stoner says that by using the modern science of probability in reference to eight prophecies, 'we find that the chance that any man might have lived down to the present time and fulfilled all eight prophecies is 1 in 1017." That would be 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000. In order to help us comprehend this staggering probability, Stoner illustrates it by supposing that "we take 1017 silver dollars and lay them on the face of Texas. They will cover all of the state two feet deep.

"Now mark one of these silver dollars and stir the whole mass thoroughly, all over the state. Blindfold a man and tell him that he can travel as far as he wishes, but he must pick up one silver dollar and say that this is the right one. What chance would he have of getting the right one? Just the same chance that the prophets would have had of writing these eight prophecies and having them all come true in any one man."

Stoner considers 48 prophecies and says, "we find the chance that any one man fulfilled all 48 prophecies to be 1 in 10157, or 1 in

100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000, 000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0.
The estimated number of electrons in the universe is around 1079. It should be quite evident that Jesus did not fulfill the prophecies by accident."

thats why

[Accordion]

One approach to use with an unbeliever is to turn to Psalm 22 and read verses 12-18. This is a detailed description of the crucifixion--1000 years before Jesus was born. After you read the section ask him what it was about. He'll say, "The crucifixion of Jesus." Then respond with something like, "You're right. This is about the crucifixion. But it was written 1000 years before Jesus was born. And on top of that, crucifixion hadn't even been invented yet. How do you think something like this could happen?" After a brief discussion, you could show him (or her) a few other prophecies like where Jesus' birthplace was prophesied (Micah 5:2), that He would be born of a virgin (Isaiah 7:14), that His side would be pierced (Zech. 12:10), etc.
The following probabilities are taken from Peter Stoner in Science Speaks (Moody Press, 1963) to show that coincidence is ruled out by the science of probability. Stoner says that by using the modern science of probability in reference to eight prophecies, 'we find that the chance that any man might have lived down to the present time and fulfilled all eight prophecies is 1 in 1017." That would be 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000. In order to help us comprehend this staggering probability, Stoner illustrates it by supposing that "we take 1017 silver dollars and lay them on the face of Texas. They will cover all of the state two feet deep.

"Now mark one of these silver dollars and stir the whole mass thoroughly, all over the state. Blindfold a man and tell him that he can travel as far as he wishes, but he must pick up one silver dollar and say that this is the right one. What chance would he have of getting the right one? Just the same chance that the prophets would have had of writing these eight prophecies and having them all come true in any one man."

Stoner considers 48 prophecies and says, "we find the chance that any one man fulfilled all 48 prophecies to be 1 in 10157, or 1 in

100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000, 000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0.
The estimated number of electrons in the universe is around 1079. It should be quite evident that Jesus did not fulfill the prophecies by accident."

thats why

anyone who looks to change others, before self-contemplation for their own gain is surely deluded

and please, how can you possibly know when such writings were originally produced?

your fear which makes you select ONE path, is that of being meaningless, so you choose a path which enables you to say to others " you are wrong"

anyone who turns to others to change before themselves must think themselves too highly. a personel god perhaps?

[tactful mcbee]

anyone who looks to change others, before self-contemplation for their own gain is surely deluded

and please, how can you possibly know when such writings were originally produced?

your fear which makes you select ONE path, is that of being meaningless, so you choose a path which enables you to say to others " you are wrong"

anyone who turns to others to change before themselves must think themselves too highly. a personel god perhaps?

for one its called the dead sea scrolls on age of scripture.

second, i'm not trying to change anyone. My God commands me to reveal you the option God has given everyone. If you don't want to accept it thats your problem.

third, your "all paths lead the same" bull crap theology makes no sense. each religion contridicts the others. If all truth is relative, then the statement "All truth is relative" would be absolutely true. If it is absolutely true, then not all things are relative and the statement that "All truth is relative" is false. The statement "There are no absolute truths" is an absolute statement which is supposed to be true. Therefore it is an absolute truth and "There are no absolute truths" is false.
If there are no absolute truths, then you cannot believe anything absolutely at all, including that there are no absolute truths. Therefore, nothing could be really true for you - including relativism.

fourth, I don't think of myself as anything. we are saved by grace. without grace my fate is the same as yours(unless you repent) because we all deserve it. self righteousness does not exist without the messiah.

and a added note about the way i was raised...i was an agnostic( means i did not believe in God and would argue His existence. and i had better arguements than the ones we have been give). and i don't listen to brain washed pastors as well, so don't go there.

oh yeah

[F9zDark]

as for this just being folklore built up over time i will simply bring up this one fact. the bible is widely known as a reliable source of info on actual events in its time.

Archaeologists have found little, to no evidence of any of the bible's claims. And scientists have used physics, meteorology, and common sense to find reasonable explanations for the plagues that afflicted Egypt and even found a possible explanation for the parting of the Red Sea (low sea levels, and high winds...)

I am not denouncing your faith; believe in what you wish. But the bible is hardly reliable. The Egyptians, Greeks and Romans are by far the most reliable sources in Western Antiquity.

[F9zDark]

The estimated number of electrons in the universe is around 1079. It should be quite evident that Jesus did not fulfill the prophecies by accident."

thats why

HAHAH, WOW. That is just hilarious! There are more electrons than that in a tablespoon of water! And this is why I pay no self-proclaimed religionist (thanks Anton Szandor LaVey for that term) any mind...

[ICE]

Archaeologists have found little, to no evidence of any of the bible's claims. And scientists have used physics, meteorology, and common sense to find reasonable explanations for the plagues that afflicted Egypt and even found a possible explanation for the parting of the Red Sea (low sea levels, and high winds...)

I am not denouncing your faith; believe in what you wish. But the bible is hardly reliable. The Egyptians, Greeks and Romans are by far the most reliable sources in Western Antiquity.

what are you talking about? no evidence?

as for the plagues and stuff did you not read any of this?

i believe that god works through science. the sea parted fine. was it random? no. it couldve been wind.

i made you mad in that ps3 thing and your trying to get back at me here. how immature.

your statement proved nothing.

EDIT: just because its in the bible doesnt mean its all fairy's and unicorns. its not.

god works though science and religion explains it.