The Proof for Christ's Claims

[ICE]

HAHAH, WOW. That is just hilarious! There are more electrons than that in a tablespoon of water! And this is why I pay no self-proclaimed religionist (thanks Anton Szandor LaVey for that term) any mind...

you pointed out a typo and disregarded that part of his post that mattered. if you disregard anyone who makes a typo i bet your lonely.

[F9zDark]

what are you talking about? no evidence?

as for the plagues and stuff did you not read any of this?

i believe that god works through science. the sea parted fine. was it random? no. it couldve been wind.

i made you mad in that ps3 thing and your trying to get back at me here. how immature.

your statement proved nothing.

First off, I not mad about the PS3 thing; that was total ownage on my part, sorry to say.

Proved nothing? So tell me, did we evolve from apes or did God make us in his own image? The bible would have you believe that God created us in his image, as religionists past and present don't want to entertain the idea that God could look like an ape...

And this is inherently the problem with religion entirely. People pick and choose what they want to believe as it suits them and then say their way is the only way.

Religion only strives to divide people. And lets not get into the Dark Ages, or worst the Holocaust (Hitler used Passion plays to get his people his people's hate for the Jews...)

Hell better yet, name one thing religion has done that has benefited all of man kind? Because frankly, I can't think of anything.

[F9zDark]

you pointed out a typo and disregarded that part of his post that mattered. if you disregard anyone who makes a typo i bet your lonely.

Typo? He quoted a religionist, if you read his post. And thats hardly a typo; thats just beyond even common sense. Yet, its something typical of a religionist, disregard all the correct, verifiable, observable information for something that helps prove their point.

Just look at the tactics used to determine the Earth's age in the whole Young Earth movement...

[ICE]

First off, I not mad about the PS3 thing; that was total ownage on my part, sorry to say.

Proved nothing? So tell me, did we evolve from apes or did God make us in his own image? The bible would have you believe that God created us in his image, as religionists past and present don't want to entertain the idea that God could look like an ape...

And this is inherently the problem with religion entirely. People pick and choose what they want to believe as it suits them and then say their way is the only way.

Religion only strives to divide people. And lets not get into the Dark Ages, or worst the Holocaust (Hitler used Passion plays to get his people his people's hate for the Jews...)

Hell better yet, name one thing religion has done that has benefited all of man kind? Because frankly, I can't think of anything.

guess what? as i have said before evolution and christianity can co-exist.

the 7 "days" were written in shorthand and most likely meant 7 time segments each worth an unset number of time. man wasnt created until the 6th "day" which is quite late no?

would it not be a miracle for man to evolve into gods image late in history?

religion divides the ignorant and angry. people divide people.

[ICE]

Typo? He quoted a religionist, if you read his post. And thats hardly a typo; thats just beyond even common sense. Yet, its something typical of a religionist, disregard all the correct, verifiable, observable information for something that helps prove their point.

Just look at the tactics used to determine the Earth's age in the whole Young Earth movement...

so he quoted a typo? OH MY GOD NO!!

young earth again? man you dont listen do you? young earth isnt right. who are you preaching to?

[F9zDark]

guess what? as i have said before evolution and christianity can co-exist.

the 7 "days" were written in shorthand and most likely meant 7 time segments each worth an unset number of time. man wasnt created until the 6th "day" which is quite late no?

would it not be a miracle for man to evolve into gods image late in history?

It is possible. But how many other religionists share your belief in that? And thats the problem, I have, with religion. People interpret it as they see fit. For instance, Islam shuns violence, just like Christianity does. Yet there are groups of Muslim who interpreted the Qur'an to allow them to us Islamic Jihad.

If there was only one religion, one God, one belief, one system, one interpretation, religion might have some merit.

[ICE]

It is possible. But how many other religionists share your belief in that? And thats the problem, I have, with religion. People interpret it as they see fit. For instance, Islam shuns violence, just like Christianity does. Yet there are groups of Muslim who interpreted the Qur'an to allow them to us Islamic Jihad.

If there was only one religion, one God, one belief, one system, one interpretation, religion might have some merit.

so anything that can be interpreted in different ways in wrong?

your logic rules out everything from being true.

you obviously believe that truth is not a constant. that its not here for us to find. i disagree and thats the core issue.

other then your belief that ps3 doesnt blow you seem nice enough and i want this to end well. all we have to do is agree that we disagree on that one point and our conflict is gone.

[acn010]

to be honest.. christianity has been in existance since it was born... yet witnesess(followers) wrote their own testaments. Also researchers had discover new OLD testaments which is amazing and also those testaments relates tot teh history of jesus

[F9zDark]

so anything that can be interpreted in different ways in wrong?

your logic rules out everything from being true.

you obviously believe that truth is not a constant. that its not here for us to find. i disagree and thats the core issue.

My logic is not the issue at hand. For instance take a look at science. When someone perceives something unknown to them, they may interpret it differently as someone else who perceived the same thing.

In science there is always a moment of interpretation; the forming of a hypothesis is this very thing. Then comes experimenting and testing to prove the hypothesis accurate or inaccurate. Maybe the initial interpretation was correct all along, maybe it was not, but in the case of it not being correct, other interpretations are tested until the truth is found.

Maybe the same can be said for religion, that people are testing their interpretations to see if they are accurate; I have long believed that religion, initially, stemmed from perception of unknown happenings (perhaps that is why many older, polytheistic religions believed in gods controlling the sun, moon, rivers, harvest, nature, etc)

The only problem is, interpretations in science never results in bloodshed or death by other scientists with differing interpretations. Which is why, I do not agree with denominations of the same religion. That has nothing to do with my logic.

young earth again? man you dont listen do you? young earth isnt right. who are you preaching to?

I am well aware that you do not agree with young earth, and neither do I. I was merely using it as a noteworthy and evidenced example of how some religious groups use pseudo-science to prove their interpretations.

other then your belief that ps3 doesnt blow you seem nice enough and i want this to end well. all we have to do is agree that we disagree on that one point and our conflict is gone.

I am not debating to make enemies; quite the contrary. I have found that a good debate only makes better friends. Mind you, I respect you for your beliefs (on the subject of religion or on the Wii). But that doesn't mean we can't have a good argument about it

[ICE]

In science there is always a moment of interpretation; the forming of a hypothesis is this very thing. Then comes experimenting and testing to prove the hypothesis accurate or inaccurate. Maybe the initial interpretation was correct all along, maybe it was not, but in the case of it not being correct, other interpretations are tested until the truth is found.

Maybe the same can be said for religion, that people are testing their interpretations to see if they are accurate; I have long believed that religion, initially, stemmed from perception of unknown happenings (perhaps that is why many older, polytheistic religions believed in gods controlling the sun, moon, rivers, harvest, nature, etc)

i started of atheist, then baptist, then baptist who no one agreed with, then christian. thats where i am now. i dont claim any title other than christian. my aim is to know the what im supposed to be doing and to do it.

most teachings you here nowadays in churches and on tv are total bull crap. we are to put our faith and knowledge through the refiner's fire over and over to find out if we're right. thats what i am doing.

i am not settled on my beliefs and im open to new ones. its just that ive heard atheism before and ive even lived it.

it is my firm belief that the correct beliefs are backed up by science and i aim to find out if im right.