Thanks Sony You do get some things right

[quzar]

Seeing as it won't play your PAL DVDs, you don't own any BluRay movies, and you don't own any games for it, I don't see where all this is coming from =P.

[JKKDARK]

And that's stopped who in the past? Who says you won't need the PS3 SDK to run homebrew in the future?

so? I'm talking about the Xbox, not the PS3. Another user said Xbox homebrew is better than the Dreamcast homebrew, which is wrong.

[cashboxz02]

Damn. I didnt know this site had a kuss word filter.

[FrostyTheSnowman]

so? I'm talking about the Xbox, not the PS3. Another user said Xbox homebrew is better than the Dreamcast homebrew, which is wrong.

Umm... riiight. XBOX runs circles around the Dreamcast, legality has NOTHING to do with it. Emulation is barely legal as it is anyway.

Yet again JKKDARK proves he knows nothing about emulation, just like he does over at NGEmu.com... and even when it is blatantly obvious that someone else is right, he just plays the denial card, also like what he does over at NGEmu.com. :rofl:

[JKKDARK]

Umm... riiight. XBOX runs circles around the Dreamcast, legality has NOTHING to do with it. Emulation is barely legal as it is anyway.

Yet again JKKDARK proves he knows nothing about emulation, just like he does over at NGEmu.com... and even when it is blatantly obvious that someone else is right, he just plays the denial card, also like what he does over at NGEmu.com. :rofl:

You need the hacked SDK for pcsxbox, so legally there are not PSX emulators for Xbox

[quzar]

Umm... riiight. XBOX runs circles around the Dreamcast, legality has NOTHING to do with it. Emulation is barely legal as it is anyway.

Yet again JKKDARK proves he knows nothing about emulation, just like he does over at NGEmu.com... and even when it is blatantly obvious that someone else is right, he just plays the denial card, also like what he does over at NGEmu.com. :rofl:

Emulation on the Dreamcast (with the exception of 3 or four specific emulators) and emulation in general is 100% legal. You are most certainly the one who does not know what they are talking about. Legality has EVERYTHING to do with it. That's why you won't find any material on xbox emulators on this site (except for the small fraction that use the opensdk).

Softmodding is perfectly legal, as is adding a modchip or whatnot, but 99% of all "homebrew" for the xbox is illegal, plain and simple.

[jonezybaby]

but does it support pal and ntsc ps2 games?

well as the 20gb model was not released in europe, pal games wood be unsupported.

[bm4n]

The point on the Xbox is that it is incredibly easy to do...My point is that if you want to run homebrew the law's not gonna stop you. Do you know it is legal to install DAs firmware on your PSP? If you found out it was illegal would you not? I thought not. On the original Xbox you have a big ol' (easily upgradeable) hard drive that you can load with emulators and games and load instantly. No dream cast boot discs to work with, you just FTP files over and your in. Brilliant and revolutionary. And the best. The End.

[FrostyTheSnowman]

Legality really does have nothing to do with it. Just because emulation is not legal on the XBOX does not mean that it is an inferior homebrew system.

The Dreamcast is inferior in hardware, AND in what is available for homebrew on that platform versus the XBOX. Legality has nothing to do with which system is the superior homebrew system.

Example 1: SNES emulation on the Dreamcast is still not anywhere near playable on a good amount of games, whereas those same games run PERFECT on the XBOX, WITH filtering and HDTV resolutions.

Example 2: N64 emulation on the Dreamcast is non-existant. N64 emulation on the XBOX is full speed with most games, and supports 4 players, including Mempaks and Rumblepaks.

Example 3: PSX emulation on the Dreamcast was limited to less than 5 games, and it was only available commercially. PSX emulation on the XBOX is full-speed, and can play most PSX games easily, WITH filtering.

Example 4: Linux is limited to command-line on the Dreamcast, and serves little purpose. Linux on the XBOX comes in almost 10 different flavors, and all are full featured operating systems.

Dreamcast can't touch the XBOX on homebrew. End of story.

[quzar]

Legality really does have nothing to do with it. Just because emulation is not legal on the XBOX does not mean that it is an inferior homebrew system.

The Dreamcast is inferior in hardware, AND in what is available for homebrew on that platform versus the XBOX. Legality has nothing to do with which system is the superior homebrew system.

Easy example: SNES emulation on the Dreamcast is still not anywhere near playable on a good amount of games, whereas those same games run PERFECT on the XBOX, WITH filtering and HDTV resolutions.

Dreamcast can't touch the XBOX on homebrew. End of story.

There is no way to argue this with you because you simply have a completely opposing view. However, I will add, it is important to note that most emulatior and homebrew authors are or aspire to be professional programmers, and all of the top ones maintain 100% legality in all their works because they can use it to reflect well on them in the real world.

The only emulators you ever see on the xbox all have the same boilerplate interface and are direct ports of the PC version. I wonder why?

You might want to look up NesterDC SE some time. It's the more recent NES emulator for the Dreamcast and not only has an amazing interface, but is THE MOST compatible NES emulator on any platform (including PC).

In the end, the Dreamcast still has more systems emulated on it than the XBOX, is cheaper, is more availible, has more actual homebrew games, and has a large legal scene; all of which the xbox will never be able to boast.