Sony Are Not The Enemy

[quzar]

Not bothering to read the rest of the posts at the moment, my comment on the original 'article':

That article was atrociously written. "I have wrote" ? It says nothing new, nor does it give any sort of unique perspective. It leaves out many things (such as non-emulation homebrew which has no illegality stigma), and overall seems to be written from the perspective of an ignorant teenager with no clue as to what the history is behind any of it.

I especially liked the "Nintendo could sue them" part, because we all know that emulation is totally illegal and that nobody could ever do that.

[XioN980]

I think everyone in this thread who DO hate sony are just plain old try hards...

You just dont like sony cos everyone else doesn't like sony, The GP2X is a good example, but the way you used it as an argument is ALL WRONG, you will note that he said "If Sony allowed homebrew FOR USAGE WITH EMULATORS" meaning if they wrote this in the update log they would get sued, GamePark did not do this hence, no lawsuits

It is unfortunate what happened to LikSang, but thats corporate bullying, not an evil attempt to stop homebrew.

JKKDARK: Where in the article did he say: "All the members on DCEMU condown piracy and use homebrew specifically for that reason"

He is right, sony only updated the firmware to stop piracy, again ill use the metaphor: If someone steels from your house, you stop them from breaking in in the future.

Buddy4point0: How have you made the console better: You've just made games, not firmware hacks etc,

In Conclusion:

SONY ARE NOT THE ENEMY, THE HOMEBREW SCENE IS ITS OWN ENEMY:

Why did sony stop homebrew on the PSP? UMD PIRACY

Who made Piracy available on it? THE HOMEBREW SCENE

I am all for homebrew but if you hate sony so much why did you buy a PSP/PS2 in the firstplace.
Quzar raises the ONLY constructive criticism:

Yes his article is article isn't really that unique and there are wholes in it, plus he should have worded it differently but the fact remains that most of the people who dont agree with it are disagreeing for all the wrong reasons and hate sony for all the wrong reasons

[Cynidez]

and overall seems to be written from the perspective of an ignorant teenager with no clue as to what the history is behind any of it

For the record i am a adult and not a teenager.

I find it harsh to insult the person who wrote the article (me) just because you don't agree with it.

Fair enough you don't agree with the article (your entitled to your opinion) but that doesn't give you the right to call me a "ignorant teenager with no clue"

[quzar]

For the record i am a adult and not a teenager.

I find it harsh to insult the person who wrote the article (me) just because you don't agree with it.

Fair enough you don't agree with the article (your entitled to your opinion) but that doesn't give you the right to call me a "ignorant teenager with no clue"

I didn't call you an ignorant teenager without a clue, I said the article seems as if written by one, I chose my words carefully and meant only exactly what I said. I agree with most of the opinion points you make, but almost everything you say as if fact, is incorrect.

I was not insulting you, I was stating my opinion as to the presentation of the article, which I found to be quite poor.

[Cynidez]

I didn't call you an ignorant teenager without a clue, I said the article seems as if written by one, I chose my words carefully and meant only exactly what I said. I agree with most of the opinion points you make, but almost everything you say as if fact, is incorrect.

I was not insulting you, I was stating my opinion as to the presentation of the article, which I found to be quite poor.

ahh i see, sorry for the misunderstanding.

I agree it could have been presented better, and the idea was to present it more on general knowledge about Sony, rather than hard facts, so i guess your right.

[quzar]

ahh i see, sorry for the misunderstanding.

I agree it could have been presented better, and the idea was to present it more on general knowledge about Sony, rather than hard facts, so i guess your right.

You miss my point. I was only explaining that what I said was not directed as a personal insult. Most of what you wrote though, was simply incorrect. As I showed by example with the emulation thing.

If Sony wanted to, they could make a NES or SNES emulator that ran off UMD, came with a few games that they own the property to, as well as some PD ones, that could read roms off a MS. If they were to do so, Nintendo couldn't do a damn thing about it, at least legally. Why don't they? What would they have to gain from it? Better public image? Not really. The percentage of their users who run homebrew on their machines is MAYBE with some creative rounding, 1% at most (about 24 million psps sold giving the GENEROUS estimate of 240000 homebrew users), and these are the people who are MUCH more likely to simply pirate the games for the system and never buy movies on UMD. What reason would they ever have then, to do something like that? None.

[Larry]

So every time a firmware is cracked to allow the illegal use of software on it they are loosing money.

No, they're not.
Thats the problem when people try to fight piracy with "logic" they get it wrong.
They aren't losing money that they were not going to get anyways.

They're losing possible profit, but not definite profit.

If someone had no intention of ever buying a certain game, then if they download it, sony is not losing money. Because if that person wasnt able to download it, and wasn't going to buy it then they cant lose money they dont have or were never going to get.
Alot of people download games on a trial bases, you know who you are, you download a game, play it for 20minutes, and decide you dont like it and just delete it or never play it again.

Until the money is made, it cant be lost. Only possible profit can be lost. Which has about as much backbone as possible profit from lottery tickets.
So unless everytime someone pirates sony's current budget decreases, IE for every game downloaded sony's bank decreases in 5$. They arent losing money.



Not everyone is going to agree with that, but that doesn't matter.
The true logic still stands, you cant lose money you dont have. And possible income/budget does NOT count as money you have, only money you COULD have had.

[quzar]

No, they're not.
Thats the problem when people try to fight piracy with "logic" they get it wrong.
They aren't losing money that they were not going to get anyways.

They're losing possible profit, but not definite profit.

Yes they are. The worth of a company like Sony is, in large part determined by their sales, so with piracy not only do their sales decrease, but confidence in the selling ability of the company also decreases which lowers it's net worth. Hence, piracy causes them to lose money.

What IS absolutely silly is when they say things like "piracy has cost us 200 million dollars" and they do literally base it on a difference between their projected sales, actual sales, and how many downloads of illegal games they see online.

[Basil Zero]

Sony threatened and even punished Crescente from Kotaku for exersising his rights as a reporter of news.
Sony shut down Lik-Sang using legal loopholes and brute-force lawyering.
Sony lies about their specs for every system since the PS2.
Sony put rootkits on music CDs to infect them with virus-like DRM software; infecting over 500,000 computer systems.
[...]aside from releasing mandatory firmware patches who's only purpose is to seal a small homebrew leak.

Again, whatever.

Besides, if Exxon-Mobil or Montsanto made a game console, would it be any better to say "Exxon is not the enemy because their wifi controllers rule!"?

lying about their specs, did that let people not get interested with the ps2? how not, if it was the most successful system in the market.

And your last statement is pointless.

http://www.ps3center.net/story-394.html
http://digg.com/gaming_news/EA_regre...ving_on_to_Wii
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3155564

Sure, if you say so.

Nice Sources you got there, too bad their false, FFXIII is still exclusive, and its the main two FF games which are exclusive to PS3 (FFXIII and Versus), remember there will be at least 6 different FF XIII games.

Well done for swallowing Sony's rhetoric so well. I was going through this in my head last night.

1. To my knowledge there are no UMD burners in existence except those controlled by Sony. You cannot buy counterfit UMDs. Period. Nor can you burn them at home.

2. PSP games are upwards of 1GB in size most of the time. Most home broadband connections are download capped these days, and torrent ports are routinely blocked.

3. Memory sticks are still very expensive. Unless you buy a job lot from overseas, the cheapest you can get a 4GB here in the UK is £45.

That means a PSP pirate must have a fast internet connection, be savvy enough to use bittorrent, and have cash to burn on memory sticks, since you can only fit a few games on your stick at a time. Either that or they spend most of their time copying games over from their PCs.

Just how many people do you think satisfy all these criteria? It's gonna be pretty bloody low.

Unlike the other consoles on which piracy is/was pretty prevalent (eg. the Playstation, PS2 or Dreamcast) there is no way that you can have one or two tech-savvy people per area downloading games and burning them, then selling them off cheap to their mates. Nor do you have big illegal factories running churning out piles and piles of counterfit game discs.

For the average consumer it is cheaper, easier and faster to just go out and buy the damned UMD.

Given all of that, do you honestly believe that the PSP is suffering due to piracy? I sure as hell am not buying that one.

well i am sure that it is suffering from piracy, why else would there be 70,000+ members on a certain psp iso site i go to.

[sabernet]

congratulations on questionably debating one point per quote...

I mean, seriously, that whole first block you quoted and all you can say is "Well...I don't care they lied about their specs...".

Oh yeah, and the 1up link is factual and varifyable, the EA article appears to have been cropped by the forum software, I'll try it again:

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