Sony Are Not The Enemy

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[QUOTE=Cynidez;411419]
So every time a firmware is cracked to allow the illegal use of software on it they are loosing money.

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Companys are losing money everyday. Its not as if they are going to run out on it the money they lose is like interest on all there other money.

Most people pirate games for a reason is for the price. I mean £35 for a game when with that £35 I could buy something I actually need

[SpooForBrains]

I think everyone in this thread who DO hate sony are just plain old try hards...

You just dont like sony cos everyone else doesn't like sony, The GP2X is a good example, but the way you used it as an argument is ALL WRONG, you will note that he said "If Sony allowed homebrew FOR USAGE WITH EMULATORS" meaning if they wrote this in the update log they would get sued, GamePark did not do this hence, no lawsuits

He is right, sony only updated the firmware to stop piracy, again ill use the metaphor: If someone steels from your house, you stop them from breaking in in the future.

Why did sony stop homebrew on the PSP? UMD PIRACY

Who made Piracy available on it? THE HOMEBREW SCENE

I am all for homebrew but if you hate sony so much why did you buy a PSP/PS2 in the firstplace.
Quzar raises the ONLY constructive criticism:

Yes his article is article isn't really that unique and there are wholes in it, plus he should have worded it differently but the fact remains that most of the people who dont agree with it are disagreeing for all the wrong reasons and hate sony for all the wrong reasons

Okay, "Everyone who disagrees with me is wrong and is just doing it to fit in and be cool". That's not really a reasoned argument and makes you come off like a rabid fanboy. Also, I don't even know what a try-hard IS.

Firstly, your house metaphor is SO broken I can't even begin to sensibly refute it. I'll attempt to anyway - firstly, MY PSP is NOT Sony's house. If it's anyone's house, it's mine. I bought it, I own it. I don't license it, I don't rent it, I own it. If I want to blow it right open then it's no-one else's business but my own.

Yes, the homebrew scene made piracy possible, but, sorry, in this case you can't have one without the other. Reverse engineering the machine and gaining the level of understanding necessary to run homebrew software on it also necessary leads to the ability to run pirate games. The one cannot happen without the other.

Futhermore, you don't know the motivations of the people who originally did all this hard work. Dark_Alex, for example, wrote an ISO loader before making the custom firmwares. I personally believe that you all owe the pirates a debt of gratitude for opening up the console - I doubt it would have happened without them.

I maintain that I hate Sony for all the RIGHT reasons, thank you, and you have made no constructive arguments to convince me otherwise.

well i am sure that it is suffering from piracy, why else would there be 70,000+ members on a certain psp iso site i go to.

Basil Zero, you have no idea how many of those 70,000 people are actively using pirate games. Equally, you have no idea how many of them have legitimately purchased UMD games. I'm guessing quite a few, if not most.

Even if you do accept piracy, you have no way of showing that that pirated game has lead directly to a lost sale. As other people have argued, there is nothing to say that the person who pirated that game would have otherwise bought it.

I just do not believe that piracy is a significant enough factor in poor PSP game sales, and furthermore, I don't think you'll find any independent commentators claiming that either. The only people shouting about how much piracy is hurting them is Sony.

[Basil Zero]

Okay, "Everyone who disagrees with me is wrong and is just doing it to fit in and be cool". That's not really a reasoned argument and makes you come off like a rabid fanboy. Also, I don't even know what a try-hard IS.

Firstly, your house metaphor is SO broken I can't even begin to sensibly refute it. I'll attempt to anyway - firstly, MY PSP is NOT Sony's house. If it's anyone's house, it's mine. I bought it, I own it. I don't license it, I don't rent it, I own it. If I want to blow it right open then it's no-one else's business but my own.

Yes, the homebrew scene made piracy possible, but, sorry, in this case you can't have one without the other. Reverse engineering the machine and gaining the level of understanding necessary to run homebrew software on it also necessary leads to the ability to run pirate games. The one cannot happen without the other.

Futhermore, you don't know the motivations of the people who originally did all this hard work. Dark_Alex, for example, wrote an ISO loader before making the custom firmwares. I personally believe that you all owe the pirates a debt of gratitude for opening up the console - I doubt it would have happened without them.

I maintain that I hate Sony for all the RIGHT reasons, thank you, and you have made no constructive arguments to convince me otherwise.



Basil Zero, you have no idea how many of those 70,000 people are actively using pirate games. Equally, you have no idea how many of them have legitimately purchased UMD games. I'm guessing quite a few, if not most.

Even if you do accept piracy, you have no way of showing that that pirated game has lead directly to a lost sale. As other people have argued, there is nothing to say that the person who pirated that game would have otherwise bought it.

I just do not believe that piracy is a significant enough factor in poor PSP game sales, and furthermore, I don't think you'll find any independent commentators claiming that either. The only people shouting about how much piracy is hurting them is Sony.

well its been two years that the psp has come out, and only 2 games made it to platinium. lets see thats 1,000,000 units sold to make platinum, and barely as well.

Compare that to how many psps sold: 20+ million.

If you look at the figures, its quite easy to tell that the PSP is lacking in software sales.

[SteveV2]

Sony sticks a blu-ray player, what do u expect? OF course their gonna stick it in the ps3, its their product. And since its new technology, of course the PS3 would be first thing they would place it, to show it off.

Its like they always say, you have a choice, if you dont want a system, dont buy it, even if there are others who are willing to buy it, its their choice.

Well, you go to any shop in the U.K now, PS3s everywhere.

Wiis? Not a chance, sold out and pre ordered still! I went into my local GAME. They said i'd get one in 6 weeks!?!

DS Vs PSP, what's the sales gap between these two then?

If you ask me, the consumer has spoken, in fact, they've screamed from the rooftops.

I do argee however that the PS3 needed the blu ray. Someone already said 9 gig's not enough.

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70,000+ members on a certain psp iso site i go to.

Basil Zero, you have no idea how many of those 70,000 people are actively using pirate games. Equally, you have no idea how many of them have legitimately purchased UMD games. I'm guessing quite a few, if not most.

umm ...those that where members before like we could use no umd ...would of had to buy atleast 1 umd. so thats like 60,000 umd's bought, allowing like 10,000 to be using the demo disc ( me ) lol

Oh and didn't like EVERYONE buy Gta liberty city ? i know i did to downgrade and well play, lag'd playing it via iso.. ( bassing the Everyone thing on that you can't find an unpatche gta anywhere ...)


P.s Didn't like the "story"...

[SpooForBrains]

well its been two years that the psp has come out, and only 2 games made it to platinium. lets see thats 1,000,000 units sold to make platinum, and barely as well.

Compare that to how many psps sold: 20+ million.

If you look at the figures, its quite easy to tell that the PSP is lacking in software sales.

I didn't claim that software sales weren't low. However, it's not enough just to say "oh well, sales are low, everyone must be a dirty pirate". There's no definitive link there. There could be any number of other reasons for the low software sales, not least the high price of games and the lack of attractive titles.

[quzar]

Well, you go to any shop in the U.K now, PS3s everywhere.

Wiis? Not a chance, sold out and pre ordered still! I went into my local GAME. They said i'd get one in 6 weeks!?!

DS Vs PSP, what's the sales gap between these two then?

If you ask me, the consumer has spoken, in fact, they've screamed from the rooftops.

I do argee however that the PS3 needed the blu ray. Someone already said 9 gig's not enough.

I don't see how that argument works. It's quite possible to have multi-disc games. With the hard drive present in any PS3, you could even make a buffer so that while you're playing the game, the entire first disc is copied, leaving the second disc able to contain only unique data (in order multi-disc games, a lot of space was taken by common things that needed to be duplicated on each disc).

Also, the compression technologies availible nowadays would be extremely easy to use on something like a PS3 that has ample memory and processing power. The PS3 having a blu-ray drive is 100% due to Sony agenda and has nothing to do with games 'needing' it.

I want to see what game on the PS3 takes up more than 15gb (single double sided disc) that doesn't simply fill the disc up with unnecessarily large, poorly compressed HD-FMV and audio.

[Basil Zero]

Well, you go to any shop in the U.K now, PS3s everywhere.

Wiis? Not a chance, sold out and pre ordered still! I went into my local GAME. They said i'd get one in 6 weeks!?!

I already knew that, and hope there will be one left for me to get soon.

DS Vs PSP, what's the sales gap between these two then?

Last i heard was few months ago:

DS= 30+ million
PSP= 20+ million

Oh and didn't like EVERYONE buy Gta liberty city ? i know i did to downgrade and well play, lag'd playing it via iso.. ( bassing the Everyone thing on that you can't find an unpatche gta anywhere ...)

It was only released in NA and Euro, not in japan, i'm pretty sure there would of been more sales in japan, but more pirated than actually own i can tell you that.

didn't claim that software sales weren't low. However, it's not enough just to say "oh well, sales are low, everyone must be a dirty pirate". There's no definitive link there. There could be any number of other reasons for the low software sales, not least the high price of games and the lack of attractive titles.

I didnt say that everyone's a pirate either, i'm just saying the majority of people know now due to the news making and the talk about homebrew in the PSForums. Along with that, everyday more people are learning about what they can do with the psp.

I do not think its because of the "Lack of Good Titles", if you look at the list, the psp has a decent collection. And about price, psp games are actually the same price as ds games, i can only remember 1 or 2 psp games that are actually 50 bucks, other than that, i've seen only up to 30 bucks.

[Narcotize]

Most people pirate games for a reason is for the price. I mean £35 for a game when with that £35 I could buy something I actually need

Bingo.

I want an HDTV, but I also want games, and music, and sequencing software.... lo and behold, Mr Torrent site gives option to take away cost of the majority of those and focus on the big HDTV.

There is alot of stuff out there that is begging for our cash, and we want to spend it. If there is a means for some of that expenditure to be cut freeing funds to focus elsewhere, then there are enough cheeky Delboy's to go for that option.

Some people will stick to honour and buy after a trial, some will think "well I could spend 25 notes on this... but then again, I fancy a pint at lunch"...

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