Anyone else worried about Revolution's Power?

[quzar]

yea, i second that. even if nintendo sells less consoles, they are pushing out what, a good 20-30 first party titles that sell at a VERY high rate in ratio to consoles sold. Even if there are fewer GCs and GC games out there, it is almost all done by nintendo themselves, so they are in a very good position.

[WHurricane16]

Can I ask what Nintendo's doing wrong? As it doesn't seem to be doing anything wrong in my eyes.

Hmmm, ok....are you a die-hard Nintendo fan or something. Let me break this down:

(1) Marketing: I rarely see a single commercial for any GC games anymore. At least they should market games like Resident Evil 4 (it's 3rd party but Sony markets it's 3rd party games) or their Greatest Hits collection more. If you haven't notice but this is exactly what Sega did....poor marketing or none their of when their competitors hammered them with hype marketing.

(2)Fans: Where do I begin. The fact that this bastard plays proprietary mini-DVDs is a pain in the ass. First, it limits storage so the competitors can have bigger games the GC can't have. Second, you can't play DVD movies on this pig. Definitely a big deal for people on a budget, or people who travel alot. I didn't bother bringing my GC with me to the Middle East. Third, the whole online play fiasco....this is what gamers wanted in their next-generation consoles but Nintendo turned a blind eye. Which leads me to...

(3)Developers/Producers: The whole online play fiasco...if developers are having online games developed for other systems Nintendo just screwed itself right there because they had no plan to support it before nor after the GC launched. So when EA wanted to make online play a factor when competing with Microsoft's XBox Live, EA pretty much said "screw you, Nintendo". Sega, still competing with EA even though their sports franchise was clearly better, was losing money because of their GC software sales were shyser. This, and past Nintendo transgressions (staying with cartridge when software developers were trying to push the envelope with mass storage CDs) is a joke to the video games industry. Shows a tune of arrogance on their part. Nintendo wants to make high quality games, and will have the passion to do so for their own system but they have to think producers have little money to support their system when they have to carefully weigh the options/resources on what kind of games they need to produce when the market is flooded with consoles (and Nintendos many hand-held systems).

All I've ever read was complaints about the "kiddie" Zelda and lack of online play, both of which Nintendo are rectifying after listening to complaints from their fans.

First of all, Wind Waker is one of the greatest games of all time. If pubes rather play Grand Theft Auto instead of possibility the greatest game of all time that's an oversite by them. Don't lump every critic of Nintendo in the same category. To add to this, a very competitive console 1st part games does make. Another reference to Sega and it's Dreamcast.

Second, Nintendo has not rectify it's online strategy. EA jumped ship because of this, Sega sports has jumped shipped partially because of this (in my opinion, I can go deeper if you like), and there isn't a single game worth buying a GC for just to play online. Btw, I'm sure there is only a handful of games you can play online with the GC. I'm not talking about LAN games either.

So, what's Nintendo doing wrong? They're making more money than Sony and Microsoft (as far as the games industry is concerned

Because of their plethora of Gameboys, saturating it's on hand-held market. This is the ony reason Nintendo makes money. Any other stat you see is a lie, because I do not see Gamecubes flying off the shelves, and I don't see the big selection of GC games from store to store like I see PS2 and XBox (which is only hot in the US because American gamers are "different").

So, that's my take on it.....a take I totally believe to be 100% accurate. I don't care for consoles much at all (even though I just bought a PS2 again and I do own a Gamecube) so my opinion on the matter isn't blinded. 'Course, I'm still a bit miffed about the entire Dreamcast situation but I think that helps me view Nintendo's situation (and the video game market itself) in a more defined "light". I said the market can't sustain 3 consoles, and I still think I am right. The Revolution will dangle along because Nintendo will have 1st party games to keep it afloat at launch but Nintendo is looking at certain doom unless it changes some of it's strategies. Allowing the system to at least play DVDs will make it more respectable in my opinion...and I'm probably going to get a little heat for saying something so silly but the little things do count.

[Cap'n 1time]

If anyone complaining about Zelda - Wind Waker would ever have played it, they would pretty quickly change their mind pretty...

your absolutly right there! it was a hell of a good game. i even grumbled a little bit till i actually played it.

[Darksaviour69]

So, what's Nintendo doing wrong? They're making more money than Sony and Microsoft (as far as the games industry is concerned), and they're making games that I enjoy. They don't seem to be doing bad at all.

it not that good at nintendoland
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4581965.stm

As a result, it is forecasting a rise in operating profits to 115bn yen in the current fiscal year. However, that is less than the 122bn that many analysts had been expecting.

not bad news, but not good. but i do agree nintendo are doing better than people think. there bussiness plan does not aim for market domainance (unlike sony, and MS) so they don't have to be the market leader! while sony and ms are banking on it!

[Cap'n 1time]

This i read at xbox-scene.com today. It links to some site, which links to another japanese site called famitsu or somthing like that. Odd, but according to this, the japanese are more interested in the Revolution then they are in the PS3.

Next-Generation Survey in Japan: Xbox360 3rd
>> From advancedmn.com:

A new survey published by Famitsu has found out what next-generation console Japanese gamers are most interested in.
The survey found that 42.2% of Japanese gamers are most interested in the Nintendo Revoluton, with the PlayStation 3 coming in close behind with 39.8% of Japanese gamers being most interested in Sony's next-generation console. Only 18.0% of Japanese gamers said they were most interested in Microsoft's Xbox 360.

Read the whole article on advancedmn.com.
(May 30 23:46 EST) - (direct link to article)
(Posted by:: XanTium)

[Christuserloeser]

Heh, me too

[ptr.exe]

Nintendo are doing well in Japan, alot of people forget that. However in the UK they are barely a presence, the majority of shops you go in don't stock GC games, but with the arrival of the DS this is changing more and more shops are stocking DS stuff and actually having a decent display as appose to the non-existent GC and barely stocked GBA.
Good to see readers of a respected magazine like Famitsu are interested in Nintendo's next-gen offering.
As for Nintendo's marketing its still bad but is on the up, particularly DS ads, Nintendo DS sponsers all the Channel 4 top-100's and all comedy on Channel 4. There were loads of ads for DS at launch - and they were good as appose to the GCSE art student feel of the Donkey Konga ads.

[MetaFox]

Hmmm, ok....are you a die-hard Nintendo fan or something.

Nope, I've just got a different view on "bad decisions" than most, apparantly.

(1) Marketing: I rarely see a single commercial for any GC games anymore. At least they should market games like Resident Evil 4 (it's 3rd party but Sony markets it's 3rd party games) or their Greatest Hits collection more. If you haven't notice but this is exactly what Sega did....poor marketing or none their of when their competitors hammered them with hype marketing.

o_O Every time I turn on the TV, I see a commercial for Donkey Konga 2. I was just thinking the other day that I hadn't seen this much Nintendo advertising since the days of the SNES.

(2)Fans: Where do I begin. The fact that this bastard plays proprietary mini-DVDs is a pain in the ass. First, it limits storage so the competitors can have bigger games the GC can't have. Second, you can't play DVD movies on this pig.

I don't give a cow's patoot about DVD playback. Counting my PS2 and PC, I have 8 DVD players, I really don't need more.

As for the mini DVD format - I say good for Nintendo. It's the longest running disc format to continue without being cracked (outside of Bleem).

(3)Developers/Producers: The whole online play fiasco...

Second, Nintendo has not rectify it's online strategy. EA jumped ship because of this, Sega sports has jumped shipped partially because of this (in my opinion, I can go deeper if you like), and there isn't a single game worth buying a GC for just to play online. Btw, I'm sure there is only a handful of games you can play online with the GC. I'm not talking about LAN games either.

Nintendo hasn't rectified it with the Gamecube, and likely never will - but they're doing it on the Revolution and the Nintendo DS.

I don't see that as that big of a concern, at least not this generation. I only have one friend who went online with a console game, and he did not find it an enjoyable experience. Though, admittedly he went online with a PS2 game and not Xbox Live (I've heard Xbox Live is great, but it's not free - and my friend is cheap ).

Nintendo is likely building an Xbox-Live type of system for it's Revolution (and speculation is that it's going to be free).

I think Nintendo did the right thing to wait to get on the online bandwagon. At the time of the Gamecube's release online play on consoles was in it's infancy, and it's still in it's infancy. There still aren't many users for the Playstation 2 who go online, and Xbox Live is popular because of it's infrastructure. It costs alot of money to run servers, and since Gamecube would have to go the Playstation 2 route, Nintendo would lose money in order to enable GameCube games to go online.

Because of their plethora of Gameboys, saturating it's on hand-held market. This is the ony reason Nintendo makes money.

Someone said it best on the DCEmulation forums a while back: Nintendo would rather be a profitable third than a money losing second or first. Nintendo makes money for each Gamecube sold, whereas Sony (and especially Microsoft) lose money on each console, and make it up in Software. Nintendo makes money in hardware and software. And that's not counting (as you said), the oversaturation of the gameboy market. Nintendo makes a good deal of money in all three markets. They're hardly struggling.

it not that good at nintendoland
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4581965.stm

$87 Billion yen is "not that good"? O_o

[Cap'n 1time]

I think Nintendo did the right thing to wait to get on the online bandwagon. At the time of the Gamecube's release online play on consoles was in it's infancy, and it's still in it's infancy. There still aren't many users for the Playstation 2 who go online, and Xbox Live is popular because of it's infrastructure. It costs alot of money to run servers, and since Gamecube would have to go the Playstation 2 route, Nintendo would lose money in order to enable GameCube games to go online.

I am thinking about What the revolution's internet capabilities might be used for. As all of you know, the revolution will be able to run (through emulation I imagine) Nes, SNES, and N64 games... and mabey more nintendo machines. I think that they might charge a fee to download these older games on the machine. Thats really cool and all (hell id pay for it) but i have this bad feeling that nintendo might not pay much attention to online gaming... again.

[FrierTuck]

The whole subject is kinda scary, nintendo is going through its dark age only to be followed (hopefully) by a renisance period of unimagenable wealth and prosperity and games. All we can do is bunker down and wait until all the cards have been played.