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[jordanblack68]

EvilSeph just owned every member of DCemu

[SnesR0X]

EvilSeph just owned every member of DCemu

More like he gave his opinion about running a site...

[mikebeaver]

And it seemed like a well rounded and informed opinion, kind of like the article that was removed, unlike the article that made front page

[quzar]

That's rubbish. I see posts edited and made better every day. To tell me that it will never happen is an outright lie. Wraggster did it to the article in question because he actually knows how to run a site.

It most certainly does not happen "all the time" as you say. Usually the only times when it happens is: A) if the original post was inaccurate, B) if there was a continuing development that did not warrant a completely new post, or C) If wraggster wants it.

It's not confusing - it's done to most of the low quality news articles.

Ahem. The news article in quesiton was dumped and replaced by an article written by wraggster.

See the original post which has been quoted here and compare it to what wraggster edited in.

As stated above, the biggest rule on the site, that goes largely unwritten is "if wraggster wants". If he so wishes, he will add, remove, or edit anything to any news post period. He has the final say in what goes into news posts. I have written up a post, submitted it, and had him remove it the next day replacing it with his own that was identical just to change the site it linked to.

None of those things though are site policy, and there is a big difference. You will most usually not see any frontpage news altered after it is posted (with the small exception of maybe broken posts or poor spelling or whatnot). ESPECIALLY if it was posted by wraggster himself (no staff is allowed to modify his news posts).

After, before, first - it doesn't matter. Leaving a 3-liner on the front page is damaging to DCEmu.

And yet, your'e still here. The site has had it's priorities fixed for a LONG time, and they are first and foremost to report news quickly and to gather news posted elsewhere (as many other news reposting sites do). If you wanted the better post up, you should have goten it submitted before the 3 liner, plain and simple. If you don't like the way that works then too bad. I suggest for the future that if you want nice long things posted, to get whatever news it is written up fast and before anything else is submitted lest the effort be wasted.

Also, the article in question did NOT contain KEY information. Would that not warrant an article edit? See here for an example.

I don't see how that is vital information at all. All of that has been boilerplate for any downgrader either since the start of at least for the past few months. If there were ACTUAL key information left out like: "Don't use this on european psps or they will explode" that would of course be edited in. "Downgraders have the chance of bricking your machine" is not key information by any means.

So, what I see is members of the news staff defending each other (and their work)...with inaccurate arguments.

I will have you know I take personal and professional (although amateur as I'm not paid in any way of course) offense to that. I have never been a member of the news staff, nothing I have said has been incorrect, I have never posted any news that would come into question in this debate at all, and I have not defended any individual.

What you seem to be doing is condemning all of the current newsposters (other than wraggster of course, who you seem to think makes great news posts) for not adhering to what YOU think the policies of the news forums should be. What you should instead look to do, is try to change the policy, which is wraggster's, and has been that of the site since the beginning (I was here) of speed of news reposting vs writing our own proper articles.

[FreePlay]

If you wanted the better post up, you should have goten it submitted before the 3 liner, plain and simple. If you don't like the way that works then too bad. I suggest for the future that if you want nice long things posted, to get whatever news it is written up fast and before anything else is submitted lest the effort be wasted.

That is, by far, the most f*cking retarded thing I've ever seen someone say in regards to posting news.

You don't take the sh*tty three-line post over a thought-out, more professional article just because it was first. This just proves that you value quantity over quality, and that's what keeps you a tier or two below the best gaming news sites around.

You value quickly-written garbage over real writing, and that's f*cking retarded.

[jordanblack68]

It most certainly does not happen "all the time" as you say. Usually the only times when it happens is: A) if the original post was inaccurate, B) if there was a continuing development that did not warrant a completely new post, or C) If wraggster wants it.



As stated above, the biggest rule on the site, that goes largely unwritten is "if wraggster wants". If he so wishes, he will add, remove, or edit anything to any news post period. He has the final say in what goes into news posts. I have written up a post, submitted it, and had him remove it the next day replacing it with his own that was identical just to change the site it linked to.

None of those things though are site policy, and there is a big difference. You will most usually not see any frontpage news altered after it is posted (with the small exception of maybe broken posts or poor spelling or whatnot). ESPECIALLY if it was posted by wraggster himself (no staff is allowed to modify his news posts).


And yet, your'e still here. The site has had it's priorities fixed for a LONG time, and they are first and foremost to report news quickly and to gather news posted elsewhere (as many other news reposting sites do). If you wanted the better post up, you should have goten it submitted before the 3 liner, plain and simple. If you don't like the way that works then too bad. I suggest for the future that if you want nice long things posted, to get whatever news it is written up fast and before anything else is submitted lest the effort be wasted.



I don't see how that is vital information at all. All of that has been boilerplate for any downgrader either since the start of at least for the past few months. If there were ACTUAL key information left out like: "Don't use this on european psps or they will explode" that would of course be edited in. "Downgraders have the chance of bricking your machine" is not key information by any means.



I will have you know I take personal and professional (although amateur as I'm not paid in any way of course) offense to that. I have never been a member of the news staff, nothing I have said has been incorrect, I have never posted any news that would come into question in this debate at all, and I have not defended any individual.

What you seem to be doing is condemning all of the current newsposters (other than wraggster of course, who you seem to think makes great news posts) for not adhering to what YOU think the policies of the news forums should be. What you should instead look to do, is try to change the policy, which is wraggster's, and has been that of the site since the beginning (I was here) of speed of news reposting vs writing our own proper articles.

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[jordanblack68]

That is, by far, the most f*cking retarded thing I've ever seen someone say in regards to posting news.

You don't take the sh*tty three-line post over a thought-out, more professional article just because it was first. This just proves that you value quantity over quality, and that's what keeps you a tier or two below the best gaming news sites around.

You value quickly-written garbage over real writing, and that's f*cking retarded.

I was going to say something like that, Mine would of been a 3 liner which is fine here

[FreePlay]

Mine was three paragraphs. Frontpage it!

[mikebeaver]

good god Jordan, that was pretty funny for you :P

[quzar]

That is, by far, the most f*cking retarded thing I've ever seen someone say in regards to posting news.

You don't take the sh*tty three-line post over a thought-out, more professional article just because it was first. This just proves that you value quantity over quality, and that's what keeps you a tier or two below the best gaming news sites around.

You value quickly-written garbage over real writing, and that's f*cking retarded.

You seem to say that as if the second post had all sorts of magical stuff that is NEWS in it. What the later post added was: the warnings that are affixed to every downgrader related thing, instructions on how to use the new downgrader, links for places to buy the game, and a donation link. ALL of these things are relegated specifically for guides or tutorials on how to use the exploit, NOT in a front page news piece on it's release.

Whenever a new version of an emulator, homebrew game, app, etc comes out, the news post most certainly doesn't describe how to install it, the controls in game, where you can buy games for it, or any other sort of info like that. What is given is the new news on the product.

In short: what was posted was not missing any information, was posted first, and was already replied to while the second was ridiculously long, had a lot of superfluous information, and was posted later.

I don't see where the problem is other than you regular users can't see the removed post. For reference, here it is in all it's lengthy mostly pointless glory:

via: noobz

We said it would be done - although some people even said we couldn't - and lo... let there be a downgrader! Noobz are proud to present a downgrader for any PSP - even the one in the picture on the left .

This downgrader is for v3.50 firmware, and includes a port of the Homebrew ENabler (HEN) for firmware 3.50. It will automatically detect all known PSP motherboard types, and do the appropriate steps to ensure a safe downgrade.

Before we get started, let's have the obligatory warnings:

Any downgrader carries some risk of permanently damaging your PSP. We've done everything we can to remove as much danger as possible, but if you choose to use this downgrader, you are accepting all of the risk involved. Nobody else will be held responsible for any damage to your PSP, howsoever caused.

Recent Sony official firmwares (3.30 onwards) have included checks that block upgrade from previously-downgraded PSPs with TA-082 or later motherboards. If you use this downgrader on such a PSP, you will lock yourself out of official firmware updates - although you will still be able to use new OE firmwares when they are released. We intend to release a tool to allow a return to official firmwares in the future.

This software is provided free of charge, so that you can use legitimate homebrew on your PSP. You are explicitly prohibited from selling it, or using it to pirate commercial games or applications. If you want to play a commercial game, do the decent thing and support the developers by buying it. If you don't, then YOU are contributing to the death of the PSP software industry.

To use this downgrader, you will need the following:

• A PSP, upgraded to the official Sony v3.50 firmware. You should also set your language settings to "English".
• A legal Lumines UMD, either the EU (ULES00043) or US (ULUS10002) version. The original, Platinum, or Greatest Hits versions are all fine. Support for the Japanese version will come soon.
• Sufficient intelligence and english language skills to be able to carefully and throroughly read the instructions.
• It would also help if you've previously run the Illuminati Hello World, so that you're familiar with how to run the Illuminati exploit.

For instructions on how to run the downgrader, see the Downgrader_HOWTO.txt file in the ZIP.

Future plans? Firstly, we intend to provide a solution for people who are stuck on firmware 3.10 or 3.11, unable to upgrade to 3.50 due to the new Sony checks. The exact format of that solution is still to be decided. We also intend to develop an eLoader for v3.50 HEN, so that those who do not want to downgrade will still be able to run some homebrew.

As well as the work from the Noobz team, credit is due to the following people:

• Everyone who has contributed to the ps2dev.org toolchain, without which none of the Noobz software would ever have been possible
• Archaemic for his original input into the Illuminati exploit, and JoeK for work on the kernel exploit
• Dark_AleX and Mathieulh, for their work on custom firmwares, HEN and the downgrader core
• The various websites who continue to develop and support the homebrew community. You know who you are, and we're not going to stir up site politics by mentioning any specific sites.

If you don't yet have a copy of Lumines, you can buy it from Amazon using one of the links below. Doing so will help us out, by automatically donating a small percentage of the purchase price to us, at no cost to yourself.

Amazon UK - Lumines Platinum
Amazon - Lumines

While you're at it, why not buy another PSP game, and help support the commercial game development industry?

We donate all of our software free of charge to the community, and don't develop for the sake of monetary gain. But if you find this downgrader useful, please donate a small amount of money to help us to afford to continue developing for the PSP. All money goes towards development costs, not individual's pockets.

(Donation link coming soon - noobz currently down in the mean time, you can donate to noobz by donating to [email protected])

And remember - only losers pirate!

Wow, great news! All PSP's can be downgraded!

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Do you really think it would be fitting to have that spamming up the front page, not to mention the fact that it doesn't add any relevant NEWS to the topic, it simply includes a full Operators Guide along with the actual news.

PS: For reference, both the original and this post were directly copy+pasted (content-wise) from noobz, the news post that you see on our site was taken from their news page, as makes sense. This was a more in depth article that they had on it that was accessible away from their front page (for obvious reasons). Also to note, both of them link directly to where all the extraneous info can be found.