When will hackers start?

**BlackxKnight** · July 29th, 2005, 05:30

Im sure you guys are just like me educated enuf to understand the concept of what coders and hackers are up against but do any of us have expierence in even knowing where to start? I know I wouldnt....for all we know all the hackers that have looked at it are cracking their knuckles and saying its a piece of cake or theyre shaking there heads thinking its impossible.
I personally think that nothing is impossible when it come to virtual world (within reason although that has been broken from time to time) it just is somthing that will take time and like was said before its only been out for a day. I highly doubt that Sony has plugged every hole as they themselves have to find the hole in order to plug it and if we havnt found it yet maybe they havnt either. There are just as many people working around the block as there are working to keep it up. PSP obviously has a strong homebrew community as the PSP in general hasnt been out long and we already have many emulators working at full speed or near full speed, we got a lot of guys working for us put some faith in them.

**shadowprophet** · July 29th, 2005, 06:07

Originally Posted by BlackxKnight

Im sure you guys are just like me educated enuf to understand the concept of what coders and hackers are up against but do any of us have expierence in even knowing where to start? I know I wouldnt....for all we know all the hackers that have looked at it are cracking their knuckles and saying its a piece of cake or theyre shaking there heads thinking its impossible.
I personally think that nothing is impossible when it come to virtual world (within reason although that has been broken from time to time) it just is somthing that will take time and like was said before its only been out for a day. I highly doubt that Sony has plugged every hole as they themselves have to find the hole in order to plug it and if we havnt found it yet maybe they havnt either. There are just as many people working around the block as there are working to keep it up. PSP obviously has a strong homebrew community as the PSP in general hasnt been out long and we already have many emulators working at full speed or near full speed, we got a lot of guys working for us put some faith in them.

I agree with you theres no way $ony could have pluged every hole. Theres no such thing as unbreachible security. Even tho it seems unlikely to me that anyone will crack the 2.0 any time soon. I have to agree with you on that much knight

***Kaiser*** · July 30th, 2005, 03:34

Simply put asking such a question when 2.0 just came out is stupid. I'll also go with anything RedDragon said because clearly a lot of you have been arguing back and did not read his posts

Originally Posted by RedDragon

Please think before what you say. And if nothing is good then don't say it at all. And yes it is HIGHLY possible to use homebrew on the 2.0. But not as of now it just been released!
I am very annoyed by you because version 2 was released today. And how in the ****ing world should a programmer hack the version in one day, if it is new! Just do what every leacher is doing. Hang back and take a quite pill.

Have a nice day

Originally Posted by shadowphrophet

I agree with you theres no way $ony could have pluged every hole. Theres no such thing as unbreachible security. Even tho it seems unlikely to me that anyone will crack the 2.0 any time soon. I have to agree with you on that much knight

Yes agree to both. Sony is not $ony by the way don't be a fool and think that there the only ones in it for money. Nintendo is just as bad and have been since they released the NES.

**Cap'n 1time** · July 30th, 2005, 05:13

Originally Posted by Kaiser

Yes agree to both. Sony is not $ony by the way don't be a fool and think that there the only ones in it for money. Nintendo is just as bad and have been since they released the NES.

yes.. but nintendo dosnt have an S in the name. So we cant use $'s

**shadowprophet** · July 30th, 2005, 05:15

Yeah bro but nintendo has one thing sony doesnt right now, that at least deserves a little respect. A quality product. I mean ive got my reasons for thinking of $ony like I do.

**Cross** · July 31st, 2005, 17:37

They have been playing with the Firmware swap, no luck yet. Lets chill here. Indain your going nuts you have a lot of idea's and ur posting often, good but lets not expect it over night.

Firmware 2.0 is new, how long did it tke 1.50 to be cracked ans the crack was found on accident. Give it a chance here. I am sure it will be cracked in time, but within the first few weeks I am doubting. And the site you posted about it seems that it just might not be real but we all hope its possible.

Just stay calim and stick with it, its going to come to pass just in due time.

***Kaiser*** · August 3rd, 2005, 08:21

Originally Posted by shadowprophet

Yeah bro but nintendo has one thing sony doesnt right now, that at least deserves a little respect. A quality product.

The PSP may have its issues, but what deems it as a low-quality product?

I agree that the PS2 is and always was a piece of $#@!. It had many great games for it but it was still horribly designed. Over-priced and unstable they broke and slowed down over time. My PS2 must take twice the loading time it took 4 years ago on the same game. Its DVD player functionallity simply does not work anymore. The cleanist newest DVD movie skips and freezes on it. Hell my 15 year old Sega Genesis runs more efficiently then that PS2.

**shadowprophet** · August 3rd, 2005, 08:46

Originally Posted by Kaiser

Design-wise what is wrong with the PSP?

I agree that the PS2 is and always was a piece of $#@!. It had many great games for it but it was still horribly designed. Over-priced and unstable they broke and slowed down over time. My PS2 must take twice the loading time it took 4 years ago on the same game. Its dvd player functionallity simply does not work anymore. The cleanist newest dvd movie skips and freezes on it. Hell my 15 year old Sega Genesis runs more efficiently then that PS2.

Well. I dont know if everyone has had this problem but ive heard of it before amungts us psp owners..
Design wise. Lets see first off I was speaking the quality issue.
Lets see nine out of every ten psps have dead or stuck pixels.
The thing is built flimsy. Try droping a gameboy color on a floor, I'll bet it would outlast the psp over and over again. I mean sure I love the psp. so do a lot of people. But its flimsy. I dont even feel safe just holding mine at times.
after the first 24 full hours are broke in on the psp, most of the buttons feel lose. and this is just after the first 24 hours. The things are designed to fall apart really. The reason sony doesnt care about quality is because they dont have too. I mean sure the psp is awsome , and thats why people will buy it. But if sony built them to last. They would sell a lot less of them ultimately.
So why not build somthing thats awsome yet designed to fall apart.
Yeah sony knows there craft bro, they rwally do..

***Kaiser*** · August 3rd, 2005, 16:02

fair enough, I agree with you after those points.

***quzar*** · August 3rd, 2005, 17:55

There are a few points to be made here. First, it IS possible to have un-crackable security for the PSP. All they would have to do is make it impossible to boot code from the memory stick or usb. THEN you'd have to do some crazy things like use some random game, but if they do it properly it would be possible to simply not allow it at all.

The second thing is that, yes homebrew firmware/bios IS possible, but would require horribly intimate knowledge of hardware and all it's functions. If someone hacked the firmware and modified it (which hasn't been happening) then that would simply be illegal. So far no firmware for the psp has been cracked or hacked, the only thing that has been done is workarounds made to work with the firmware as it already exists on the system (to my knowledge). The main obstacle is finding out how sony does the security on the updates, which would require something along the lines of monitoring data transfer during the update routine and analyzing it. The problem with this is that unlike most things, if data is corrupted or fails to be passed correctly here, it could result in a useless psp.

The best BEST way to do this would be to take the psp firmware, modify it, then pull the chip that holds the firmware inside the psp and replace it with a flash rom. When you have done that you upload your custom bios that has different debugging features and go to initiate an update and track how the update occurs. An alternative would be to try to use the firmware chip already inside the psp, because it would already have to be of the flash variety to be able to update, but there is a chance there is some sort of hardware protection on it against such a thing.

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