CES2008: Expansion of the PS Network, Warner Paid?, Cell, Future of PS2

**JKKDARK** · January 8th, 2008, 21:26

Originally Posted by F9zDark

A game console marketed to casual gamers DOES NOT have staying power. Why do you think companies haven't marketed consoles to this demographic in the past?

Ask to the Gamecube owners and they will tell you most of them bought a Wii.

Did you know the Virtual Console is a big success? And you know perfectly these old games were not made for casual gamers..

Also do you think games like Resident Evil 4, Super Paper Mario, Super Mario Galaxy, The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, etc, are for casual gamers? These games are actually 4 of the 12 best-selling games from Wii.

**Napalm-Death** · January 8th, 2008, 21:27

Originally Posted by F9zDark

Might be actually, but thats quite a "history" to go up against. When Nintendo knew how to make games and consoles (and not gimmicks) the NES and SNES were damn good, and are probably up there as the greater consoles in all history (which is the greatest, between PS2, NES and SNES, I have no idea).

Hm, I thought it was stated somewhere that it was lol. Thanks for clarifying that for me... it makes me miss my SNES. Ha ha.

**F9zDark** · January 8th, 2008, 21:49

Originally Posted by JKKDARK

Ask to the Gamecube owners and they will tell you most of them bought a Wii.

Did you know the Virtual Console is a big success? And you know perfectly these old games were not made for casual gamers..

Also do you think games like Resident Evil 4, Super Paper Mario, Super Mario Galaxy, The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, etc, are for casual gamers? These games are actually 4 of the 12 best-selling games from Wii.

Well I find it funny that people, who owned a Gamecube, would buy Resident Evil 4, again... I guess Wii owners are stupid too.

The reason those games sold well? Because, there are some people who own Wiis who are hardcore gamers (both of my friends who own Wiis are extremely hardcore gamers; now one of them owns a PS3 with the Wii collecting dust).

Nintendo also has the benefit of having many younger players on the Wii, which makes these 20 year old franchises seem "new" to, which will also drive up sales of these tired franchises.

Point is, just because the sales are so great now, doesn't mean they'll stay that way. The gamecube was regarded as a failure. And nintendo is making the same mistakes with the Wii as they did on the gamecube.

One of the things that contributed to the Gamecube's being a failure was its "family friendly" market, its 1st party support dwarfing its 3rd party support. How many Wii owners are going to go out and buy a game by EA or Ubisoft, when Nintendo seems to keep hitting the nail on the head delivering A+ titles?

No one. And soon, those companies will see that making games for the Wii isn't profitable, as they did on the gamecube, and will slow or cease production.

The reason Nintendo developed a Gamecube 1.5 and called it the Wii? A DESPERATE attempt at reclaiming the market share they had from the SNES days, something that both their last consoles failed to achieve.

**Accordion** · January 8th, 2008, 21:57

Originally Posted by JKKDARK

Ask to the Gamecube owners and they will tell you most of them bought a Wii.

Did you know the Virtual Console is a big success? And you know perfectly these old games were not made for casual gamers..

Also do you think games like Resident Evil 4, Super Paper Mario, Super Mario Galaxy, The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, etc, are for casual gamers? These games are actually 4 of the 12 best-selling games from Wii.

all those games you mentioned are gamecube games. Galaxy is the only one which actually uses the hardware[not counting peripherals]

I actually think a redesign of the PS2 at a very cheap price would sell well. A slim, square shape for a smaller footprint with slot loading drive, and packaged with an eyetoy and wireless controllers would be great. There are already Wii like games and peripherals for the PS2.

either way, heres some real innovation: http://blog.us.playstation.com/2008/...-presentation/

**JKKDARK** · January 8th, 2008, 21:59

Nintendo didn't make any mistake because this time is winning the seventh generation.

"Family firendly" has nothing to do with the success or the failure, Nintendo always was "family friendly" and their consoles won (NES, SNES) and lost (N64, GC) their generations.

You are just talking about your own speculations.

**JKKDARK** · January 8th, 2008, 22:04

Originally Posted by Accordion

all those games you mentioned are gamecube games. Galaxy is the only one which actually uses the hardware[not counting peripherals]

Did you drink alcohol in excess?

I'm only talking about Wii games. Super Paper Mario never had a Gamecube release. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess and Resident Evil 4 Wii edition , which had ports on Gamecube, are not counting on the Wii versions sales.

**Accordion** · January 8th, 2008, 22:04

JKK is single handedly turning this forum into gamefaqs forums… hurrah!

real gamers dont care about market shares, they care about software.

buy the system that has the games you like, post in threads about systems you have interest in. EAt baked beans in chocolate sauce.

**F9zDark** · January 8th, 2008, 23:42

Originally Posted by JKKDARK

Nintendo didn't make any mistake because this time is winning the seventh generation.

"Family firendly" has nothing to do with the success or the failure, Nintendo always was "family friendly" and their consoles won (NES, SNES) and lost (N64, GC) their generations.

You are just talking about your own speculations.

Actually, "Family Friendly" is the term used by the market analysts who slated the Gamecube and N64 as failures compared to NES, and SNES.

And do younger gamers have the money to go out and buy games? No they don't, thus they are a bad market to make games for.

NES and SNES weren't really "family oriented" like the N64 and Gamecube were. Many games on both consoles were of varied subject matter, unlike the N64 which was what, maybe 1 out of 10 games were for mature players?

**JKKDARK** · January 8th, 2008, 23:53

Originally Posted by F9zDark

NES and SNES weren't really "family oriented" like the N64 and Gamecube were. Many games on both consoles were of varied subject matter, unlike the N64 which was what, maybe 1 out of 10 games were for mature players?

The only difference between the NES/SNES and the N64/GC was the RPG games. PRG games weren't mature, so I don't know what are you saying with "varied games".
Also there was a Mortal Kombat game on SNES which was edited because Nintendo considered it too violent.