Mysterious Shape.

[eddieh4444]

It's either Aleksander Emelianenko's back tattoo
or the Virgin Mary holding baby Jesus.

[mexicansnake]

It's either Aleksander Emelianenko's back tattoo
or the Virgin Mary holding baby Jesus.

Lol that is... gross.

Ay wey no mames...:rofl:

By the way his back says: God is with us.

[bah]

I'm just hoping vamp and snake are mostly joking here.

Sure it may look kinda like something just as clouds can, but that resemblance only exists in our heads. The human mind is an amazing thing, a stick figure looks very little like a human being but our mind is great at extracting meaning from simple hints.


I worry for people who see Mary or whatever in crazy places and think anything more of it than seeing a bunny in a cloud.

[mexicansnake]

I'm just hoping vamp and snake are mostly joking here.

Sure it may look kinda like something just as clouds can, but that resemblance only exists in our heads. The human mind is an amazing thing, a stick figure looks very little like a human being but our mind is great at extracting meaning from simple hints.


I worry for people who see Mary or whatever in crazy places and think anything more of it than seeing a bunny in a cloud.

Of course I was joking with my last post, but Im also worried for the faithless people, people wich just walk through the life without asking themselves who are they or why are they there also they dont do anything productive with their lives because they think that they will just die someday that their efforts are not worth, the universe is not only matter, energy, space or time, the universe is more than just the addition of its parts, it doesnt matter if she is Mary, the reaper or even Michael Jackson, but Vampdude and I believe in something. Surely the human mind is amazing I had thousands of classes about that.

Some scientist say that the ones who see things like this have a more complex mind and because of that they are smarter (scientist point of view) but priest or masons say that if you see things like this you have a stronger soul. Open your mind a cloud is not just a cloud, Im not saying that you should believe in all or think lots of things none the less use your reason and your mind and build mental schemes about possible and abstract solutions to gather to the truth at the same time use your experience to avoid future confusions.

[pibs]

Of course I was joking with my last post, but Im also worried for the faithless people, people wich just walk through the life without asking themselves who are they or why are they there also they dont do anything productive with their lives because they think that they will just die someday that their efforts are not worth, the universe is not only matter, energy, space or time, the universe is more than just the addition of its parts, it doesnt matter if she is Mary, the reaper or even Michael Jackson, but Vampdude and I believe in something. Surely the human mind is amazing I had thousands of classes about that.

Some scientist say that the ones who see things like this have a more complex mind and because of that they are smarter (scientist point of view) but priest or masons say that if you see things like this you have a stronger soul. Open your mind a cloud is not just a cloud, Im not saying that you should believe in all or think lots of things none the less use your reason and your mind and build mental schemes about possible and abstract solutions to gather to the truth at the same time use your experience to avoid future confusions.

damn that is deep

[bah]

That's not deep, that's just pseudo-religious/spiritual rambling IMO.

You start off with the religious concept that without a god-endorsed 'purpose' then people feel their life is worthless (life is about being a decent person, having fun without harming others and creating another generation).
Then move into 'Some scientist say that the ones who see things like this have a more complex mind and because of that they are smarter (scientist point of view) but priest or masons say that if you see things like this you have a stronger soul.' Anyone can see something in a random pattern of shapes/lines (ie a cloud or the eye of a piece of wood), that's fine, thats how the eye/mind interact.
Drawing conclusions of intentional creation by a divinity into something so simple is not the sign of wisdom (neither intellectually nor spiritually).

"it doesnt matter if she is Mary, the reaper or even Michael Jackson, but Vampdude and I believe in something"

You believe there is a reason/purposeful cause to you seeing the reaper/mary in the eye of a piece of wood? There is no reaper there, there is a shape that happens to look slightly similar, being observed by someone who wants to see it. The fact someone more religious sees Mary not the reaper re-enforces that.

There is a difference between opening your mind and letting your imagination run away from you.

Enough of this thread, this is about seeing something in a bunch of abstract shapes and lines not religion. I would think the comparing of belief in a religious doctrine to seeing something in a cloud would be insulting to religious people.

Russell's teapot.

[mesosade]

Quick Rip Up The Floorboards! Save yourselves!

[VampDude]

It's either Aleksander Emelianenko's back tattoo
or the Virgin Mary holding baby Jesus.

It could be linked to the thinking of whoever thought of that tattoo design, somewhere along the line the Grim Reaper obviously held a baby.

Quick Rip Up The Floorboards! Save yourselves!

We have 2 or 3 spare boards in the garage, I'm thinking of having that board lifted and sell it online maybe, because people will buy just about anything online if it's unusual.

[mexicansnake]

That's not deep, that's just pseudo-religious/spiritual rambling IMO.

You start off with the religious concept that without a god-endorsed 'purpose' then people feel their life is worthless (life is about being a decent person, having fun without harming others and creating another generation).
Then move into 'Some scientist say that the ones who see things like this have a more complex mind and because of that they are smarter (scientist point of view) but priest or masons say that if you see things like this you have a stronger soul.' Anyone can see something in a random pattern of shapes/lines (ie a cloud or the eye of a piece of wood), that's fine, thats how the eye/mind interact.
Drawing conclusions of intentional creation by a divinity into something so simple is not the sign of wisdom (neither intellectually nor spiritually).

"it doesnt matter if she is Mary, the reaper or even Michael Jackson, but Vampdude and I believe in something"

You believe there is a reason/purposeful cause to you seeing the reaper/mary in the eye of a piece of wood? There is no reaper there, there is a shape that happens to look slightly similar, being observed by someone who wants to see it. The fact someone more religious sees Mary not the reaper re-enforces that.

There is a difference between opening your mind and letting your imagination run away from you.

Enough of this thread, this is about seeing something in a bunch of abstract shapes and lines not religion. I would think the comparing of belief in a religious doctrine to seeing something in a cloud would be insulting to religious people.

Russell's teapot.

You are the only one who dont get it, FOR ME religion, science, universe interact in one and only thing. Is the all, if you someday take the chance to grab a philosophy book or take a class you will know what Im talking about.

Is not a pattern?, if you use the scientific method, by using the experimentation and of course of all the experience you will find that several human beings wich saw this image saw the scent of the shape, AND THAT my little fella lead to something that we call inductive method.

Read Plato, Saint Augustin and some other classic philosofers (including greeks) and you will know what way they use to reach the truth. Truth is the adecuation of reason and experience.

Not deep?, the deepness depends on who reads it, dont you said something like that? like it depends on who sees the cloud?. Dude dont take this too personal but if you dont have the enough philosophical level then dont do posts like that.

Always be open, open you hear different ways of thinking, I dont want to make you religious or something I just want to make you aware of this. You dont need to use your imagination to gather to the truth but you must do mental schemes using suppositions.

The consideration conducts to the experience, discovering the patterns and the details wich are the same in fact to get to the universal concept(the scent) If you use a religious way or the scientific way you will end up with with this last though.

Im religious indeed but I dont let it blind my eyes. Hearing insults to the religions doesnt disturb me because that just means that the disturber doesnt understant a word about what Im talking about.

[bah]

Hahahahaha, believe what you want man. I see rational points doing mean much to you. I don't need you to make me aware of your mish-mass religious/spiritual beliefs, I have my own. I would say I'm not the only one with insufficient philosophical experience to bring that into this discussion.

They don't include automatically drawing conclusions of divinity from something this damn simple/common.

If you use the religious way then you don't analyse things, you have faith in the words and want to see divinity around you.
If you use the scientific way then you could compare it to eyes in many other pieces of wood and find there is nothing at all out of the ordinary. I can kind of see a bird in the pattern of the tiles in my bathroom.
There was a 'weeping' statue of Mary in a church in WA fairly recently, they did a (scientific) analysis of it (how would you do a religious one, see how much others believe in it?) and it was concluded to be fake. The archbishop made them remove it from the church for misleading people. Some objected, they really just want to believe.

Yes different people see different things in the same cloud, thats my point. It is a happen stance occurrence observed by human minds. They draw on past experience and each person may come to a different conclusion about what the cloud 'looks like'.
I know no one, religious or otherwise (even if they believe god made the cloud in one way or another), that would say god is intentionally sculpting clouds into the shapes of things we recognise.
What about the vast vast majority of the time when a cloud or an eye in a piece of wood doesn't look like anything?

I guess I'm 'eu a-mousoi', as I disagree with you (and plato) that religious belief in a divinity is a requirement or even an aid to wisdom or philosophy.

'll stick with what I said in the previous post.

I'm thinking of having that board lifted and sell it online maybe, because people will buy just about anything online if it's unusual.

They sure do....

Comment from the article: "But the pranksters are out in force. Apart from forcing the price into the stratosphere, spoof sellers are also offering cheese sandwiches depicting Elvis and the Last Supper.

One offered "the Virgin Mary in Spam, not grilled cheese" and wrote: "Those who believe that the Virgin Mary can appear in food products like grilled cheese have no chance of being saved." "

Now that's funny.