Mysterious Shape.

[VampDude]

They sure do....

Comment from the article: "But the pranksters are out in force. Apart from forcing the price into the stratosphere, spoof sellers are also offering cheese sandwiches depicting Elvis and the Last Supper.

One offered "the Virgin Mary in Spam, not grilled cheese" and wrote: "Those who believe that the Virgin Mary can appear in food products like grilled cheese have no chance of being saved." "

Now that's funny.

lol, I wonder if anyone would offer $22,000 for my piece of wood? (although eBay declared the sandwich auction a prank and ceased the auction until they proved they had the sandwich)

Sandwich images can be faked, I think that there is a possibility of making a shape that doesn't grill the sandwich fully and leaves a lighter effect on the area that hasn't been cooked like the exposed darkened bits.

[bah]

You need publicity, then no matter how crazy and overpriced it is it seems goldenpalace or someone will come in and buy it.

"The online casino Golden Palace.com is a frequent bidder, and last year paid WHMM $2,815.43 for an M&M wrapper. Golden Palace also is famous for paying another eBayer $28,000 for a grilled cheese sandwich that resembled the Virgin Mary, $5,000 for Britney Spears' home pregnancy test and $25,000 for William Shatner's kidney stone. Much of the proceeds go to charity; GoldenPalace is interested in the publicity."



Fake or happenstance man.

[mexicansnake]

Enough of this thread, this is about seeing something in a bunch of abstract shapes and lines not religion.

Your stamements amuse me... Want to keep in this thread?, well then this means that your word is not solid.

Hahahahaha, believe what you want man. I see rational points doing mean much to you. I don't need you to make me aware of your mish-mass religious/spiritual beliefs, I have my own. I would say I'm not the only one with insufficient philosophical experience to bring that into this discussion.

Well maybe I dont have a title but I have several classes from priests and philosophers who won some awards(anyway it doesnt matter)... And then here you go again, you close your mind to other points of view, open your mind and be aware. Your laugh is just fear of having mistakes by the way, you try to be selfish and try to avoid my points.

They don't include automatically drawing conclusions of divinity from something this damn simple/common.

The one who cant see the complexity of the normal and simple things is not able to gather more complex topics.

If you use the religious way then you don't analyse things, you have faith in the words and want to see divinity around you.
If you use the scientific way then you could compare it to eyes in many other pieces of wood and find there is nothing at all out of the ordinary. I can kind of see a bird in the pattern of the tiles in my bathroom.
There was a 'weeping' statue of Mary in a church in WA fairly recently, they did a (scientific) analysis of it (how would you do a religious one, see how much others believe in it?) and it was concluded to be fake. The archbishop made them remove it from the church for misleading people. Some objected, they really just want to believe.

I strongly ask you to read wikipedia about the meaning of faith my child. It doesnt mean believe in something we cant see. The religion actually analize more things than some sciences, dont you know that there is a SCIENCE about God and its called: theology?. In my entire life you are the ONLY one wich says that the religion doesnt analize.

Again READ:
Is not a pattern?, if you use the scientific method, by using the experimentation and of course of all the experience you will find that several human beings wich saw this image saw the scent of the shape, AND THAT my little fella lead to something that we call inductive method.

Inductive method:
The consideration conducts to the experience, discovering the patterns and the details wich are the same in fact to get to the universal concept(the scent) If you use a religious way or the scientific way you will end up with with this last though.

Have you ever read how to make use of the scientific method or the inductive method?.

Yes different people see different things in the same cloud, thats my point. It is a happen stance occurrence observed by human minds. They draw on past experience and each person may come to a different conclusion about what the cloud 'looks like'.
I know no one, religious or otherwise (even if they believe god made the cloud in one way or another), that would say god is intentionally sculpting clouds into the shapes of things we recognise.
What about the vast vast majority of the time when a cloud or an eye in a piece of wood doesn't look like anything?

Again can you take a desicion about perception? Is not just experience I told you READ again you need to use the reason and experience. You are blind dude you cant see a sign in fornt of your eyes, you wouldnt even recognize Bill Gates if you have it in front you.

Why God would care about doing shapes? God is doing more important things, WE NEVER SAID GOD MADE THEM, are you ok?.

Dude that is because we merge in a proper world a world wich has its own problems, sometimes we dont have a chance to stop and reach patterns in the sky because we dont even look at it, but Im pretty sure that if you stop for a while and open your mind you could see something.

I guess I'm 'eu a-mousoi', as I disagree with you (and plato) that religious belief in a divinity is a requirement or even an aid to wisdom or philosophy.

You are more likely an obstinátus fráter-tris confúndere cápere.

So you have your own beliefs and you are not religious but you believe in something also you dont believe in divinity and you trust the science, and you have your own spirituality and religious beliefs? Well dude take one choice, is not a multichoosing exam...

Read my post again... I never said it was an aid or requirement, I said is an union, an only structure divided in parts wich conform the universe...

His previous post:

Enough of this thread, this is about seeing something in a bunch of abstract shapes and lines not religion.

His current post:

'll stick with what I said in the previous post.

Indeed is funny.:rofl: Im having a good time doing my homework Ill give a report tomorrow about this to my philosophy teacher:thumbup:. Thanx for the help... (Read Emotional intelligence by Daniel Goleman that should help you out).

[bah]

You are one self righteous man I'll say that.

My laughter is of your almost fanatical association of something so simple and meaningless, giving it all this meaning, then claiming intellectual superiority based on the most irrelevant things to the topic at hand. Make a coherant point and I'll discuss it.

I had had enough, then you came back with another bunch of senseless rambling about how either a religious or scientific examination of the image would lead to the same thing. This is clearly untrue and just a really strange thing to say. 'Report' to whoever you want, Just include the complete posts from each of us so your teacher can correct you.

If I'm the first person you've heard of that has compared religion and science and come to the conclusion that science analizes deeper than religion, then I think you badly need to step outside your religious circle. Science is observation, drawing inferences and testing those for validity. Religion may examine its own texts, but its theories of the origin of life etc are clearly isolated from any form of scientific (rational) questioning. The church didn't condemn Galileo because they had made superior, impartial observations but to protect their unquestionable 'truths' (in this case that turned out not to be true).
Be any religion you want, but believing something unquestionably is not something you can hold over another as having a 'union' of types of wisdom.


"The one who cant see the complexity of the normal and simple things is not able to gather more complex topics."
Yes there is complexity in everything, down to the sub-atomic level. That has absolutely nothing to do with seeing mary/the reaper in the eye of a piece of wood and claiming it does shows more ignorance than insight.
You keep mentioning the inductive method, what accumulated and established scientific knowledge did you use to judge that the image is of mary/the reaper? None. You cannot just quote terms haphazardly and expect them to mean something.

"So you have your own beliefs and you are not religious but you believe in something also you dont believe in divinity and you trust the science, and you have your own spirituality and religious beliefs? Well dude take one choice, is not a multichoosing exam..."
I am agnostic, hence I ended with the words 'Russell's teapot'.
The basic principle being that if someone states as fact there was a tiny teapot orbiting the sun somewhere between earth and mars, despite the fact no telescope could pick up something like that. Now, anyone who disagreed with that person could not disprove that the teapot was there. That in itself (the inability to disprove something) is surely not a reason to believe it is there, but at the same time there is always some slight (mostly irrational) doubt that it could be there.

So to explain what I believe would be something like 'there may be a god, but there is absolutely no evidence of the existence of one, therefore I am not going to follow an (objectionable) doctrine that claims to be the voice of a divinity'. I cannot disprove it, but scientifically (rationally) there is no evidence therefore I would put it down as 'highly improbable, but possible'.
Feeling a connection to the planet, having responsibility for it as only form of life on it that is capable of recognising our duty to protect it or many other things can be considered spirituality but not in the religious sense. I am in no way trying to make this a 'multichoosing exam'. Anyway multiple choice exams generally only allow you to choose one answer so its a strange statement.

In the context of this image, my point is that just because I cannot give an explanation of why it looks like that, that doesn't mean I should attribute it to anything other than happpenstance. Especially as its not a rare at all to see all sorts of things in similar patterns.

My first post was entirely about that what you see is all in your mind and will differ person to person. You came back with "ut Im also worried for the faithless people, people wich just walk through the life without asking themselves who are they or why are they there also they dont do anything productive with their lives because they think that they will just die someday that their efforts are not worth, the universe is not only matter, energy, space or time, the universe is more than just the addition of its parts.....". If you are not suggesting that there was some kind of purposeful intent behind this pattern, then what on earth does religion have to do with this thread, or my ability to interpret the pattern in a different way than you?

I am blind, wouldn't know bill gates? Calling me 'my child'. Seriously man, grow the hell up and stop being so condescending.

I am yet to see you make a point. Mine is that people really shouldn't take seeing the reaper in the eye of a piece of wood seriously. You can see whatever you want in random shapes. There is nothing wrong with seeing mary, but saying that seeing her while others see the reaper is somehow your enlightened mind seeing more than my 'ignorant' agnostic mind is just wrong and insulting.

[Axelius]

Wow, this discussion is getting to deep for me...

But I do also see some shapes in the flags in my bathroom (I can always look at them when I take a dump...)

Bathrooms seem to have a special force of attraction for mysterious things.

[VampDude]

Wow, this discussion is getting to deep for me...

Very deep, I haven't even read most of it. But I'm sure I will read more when I have time, purely to reply in quotations.

But I do also see some shapes in the flags in my bathroom (I can always look at them when I take a dump...)

What flags would anybody have in their bathroom? lol

Bathrooms seem to have a special force of attraction for mysterious things.

That's because you have to focus on something, I need total concentration when I go cause I'm easily distracted by things.

[mexicansnake]

You are one self righteous man I'll say that.

My laughter is of your almost fanatical association of something so simple and meaningless, giving it all this meaning, then claiming intellectual superiority based on the most irrelevant things to the topic at hand. Make a coherant point and I'll discuss it.

I had had enough, then you came back with another bunch of senseless rambling about how either a religious or scientific examination of the image would lead to the same thing. This is clearly untrue and just a really strange thing to say. 'Report' to whoever you want, Just include the complete posts from each of us so your teacher can correct you.

If I'm the first person you've heard of that has compared religion and science and come to the conclusion that science analizes deeper than religion, then I think you badly need to step outside your religious circle. Science is observation, drawing inferences and testing those for validity. Religion may examine its own texts, but its theories of the origin of life etc are clearly isolated from any form of scientific (rational) questioning. The church didn't condemn Galileo because they had made superior, impartial observations but to protect their unquestionable 'truths' (in this case that turned out not to be true).
Be any religion you want, but believing something unquestionably is not something you can hold over another as having a 'union' of types of wisdom.


"The one who cant see the complexity of the normal and simple things is not able to gather more complex topics."
Yes there is complexity in everything, down to the sub-atomic level. That has absolutely nothing to do with seeing mary/the reaper in the eye of a piece of wood and claiming it does shows more ignorance than insight.
You keep mentioning the inductive method, what accumulated and established scientific knowledge did you use to judge that the image is of mary/the reaper? None. You cannot just quote terms haphazardly and expect them to mean something.

"So you have your own beliefs and you are not religious but you believe in something also you dont believe in divinity and you trust the science, and you have your own spirituality and religious beliefs? Well dude take one choice, is not a multichoosing exam..."
I am agnostic, hence I ended with the words 'Russell's teapot'.
The basic principle being that if someone states as fact there was a tiny teapot orbiting the sun somewhere between earth and mars, despite the fact no telescope could pick up something like that. Now, anyone who disagreed with that person could not disprove that the teapot was there. That in itself (the inability to disprove something) is surely not a reason to believe it is there, but at the same time there is always some slight (mostly irrational) doubt that it could be there.

So to explain what I believe would be something like 'there may be a god, but there is absolutely no evidence of the existence of one, therefore I am not going to follow an (objectionable) doctrine that claims to be the voice of a divinity'. I cannot disprove it, but scientifically (rationally) there is no evidence therefore I would put it down as 'highly improbable, but possible'.
Feeling a connection to the planet, having responsibility for it as only form of life on it that is capable of recognising our duty to protect it or many other things can be considered spirituality but not in the religious sense. I am in no way trying to make this a 'multichoosing exam'. Anyway multiple choice exams generally only allow you to choose one answer so its a strange statement.

In the context of this image, my point is that just because I cannot give an explanation of why it looks like that, that doesn't mean I should attribute it to anything other than happpenstance. Especially as its not a rare at all to see all sorts of things in similar patterns.

My first post was entirely about that what you see is all in your mind and will differ person to person. You came back with "ut Im also worried for the faithless people, people wich just walk through the life without asking themselves who are they or why are they there also they dont do anything productive with their lives because they think that they will just die someday that their efforts are not worth, the universe is not only matter, energy, space or time, the universe is more than just the addition of its parts.....". If you are not suggesting that there was some kind of purposeful intent behind this pattern, then what on earth does religion have to do with this thread, or my ability to interpret the pattern in a different way than you?

I am blind, wouldn't know bill gates? Calling me 'my child'. Seriously man, grow the hell up and stop being so condescending.

I am yet to see you make a point. Mine is that people really shouldn't take seeing the reaper in the eye of a piece of wood seriously. You can see whatever you want in random shapes. There is nothing wrong with seeing mary, but saying that seeing her while others see the reaper is somehow your enlightened mind seeing more than my 'ignorant' agnostic mind is just wrong and insulting.

It seems that someone read wikipedia while I was in school as your current considerations are not like your older ones...

Erm... Dude the report was to show the different ways of thinking(I wasnt trying to offend you), I included both btw.

All I want to avoid is people saying something like this: (Of course you didnt!)
Yes you are right maybe God draw those images with his custom built dvd laser... Those comments sickens me I read many of them on this thread and again you didnt.

Wisdom depends on who speaks about what topic.

Theology again is a SCIENCE about God, is not just believing, ethical or moral acts, the religion also considerates the science (remember humans are humans an humans do mistakes as the science is a human invention)

Dude you are still confusing my statements... The complexity not just stays in the matter, space, time or energy, the all is more than the addition of its parts.

By now I dont want to speak about fancy teapots... I CARE ABOUT YOUR BELIEFS, as you still stating use the scientific method dont use those stories with me... You think that I make childish statements but not even like that you cant get some parts...

Maybe a strange statement but you are doing that mistake of choosing several answers of your beliefs (Its ok I highly respect your opinions and I think they are intelligent).

You came saying that you are worried for religions people thats why I said that. I do care about what I writte.

I made several points and statements but you cant see them, because your "scientific" world is like my "religious circle" not all what the people say is correct in terms of science(including religion).

For me your opinions are not insulting, I apoligize if I did with my opinions. But you know sometimes when you are speaking in a foreign language you dont measure your words no matter if you care about them.

What if we cooperate to keep on topic and work along to post our thoughts about this phemomenon?.(Im not dropping the towel, if you want more surely you could have...)

Maybe I was agressive trying to show you that you said that you had enough and you should stop to show that your word is solid, but you know the internet is free and you can post all you want.

Ill go to some guitar classes, Ill be back soon and complete this post.

[Sonicboy 101]

...can anyone tell me what they're saying?

[Axelius]

What flags would anybody have in their bathroom? lol

Hehe, I didn't mean something like this by "flag":

I was actually speaking of floor tiles...(you know, I'm German and the dictionary said it was called flag:rofl

[VampDude]

Hehe, I didn't mean something like this by "flag":

I was actually speaking of floor tiles...(you know, I'm German and the dictionary said it was called flag:rofl

You can get an American flag made from tiles to look at, it costs $1999,00 which I reckon is a waste of money considering the fact it looks easy enough to make at home, and also the fact that not everybody would like an American flag.