90 per cent of North American's playing illegally

**Brainy142** · January 31st, 2008, 19:28

LOL That CAN'T be true (look at ds sales) also I'm part of the people who DON'T pirate because i want more games to come and I want game companys to stay alive.

lol 90%

**wiggy fuzz** · January 31st, 2008, 20:08

massivly blown out of proportion - welcome to the media

and what's wrong with buying games? (a question to nobody in particular) i mean, a little price drop would be welcome (£29 per game), but nothing beats actually getting home, ripping open the clear case, playing the game then trading it in later for some pc games. i do that. it's fun. i've gotten some pretty cool pc games just by playing some ds games and selling them when i'm done.

**Eviltaco64** · January 31st, 2008, 22:04

Originally Posted by VampDude

It's also China, Hong Kong and Taiwan that are ruining the industry.

ehrm...Brazil? xD

***quzar*** · January 31st, 2008, 22:13

I think most of you are misinterpreting what he's saying. I'm fairly certain that it is meant to say "90% of those who are pirating NDS games in North America are using the R4 to do so" as opposed to "90% of Nintendo DS owners in North America are pirating the games".

To that end, he may be correct (and it would be much easier to find out).

**`The0n3** · February 1st, 2008, 01:55

This is why they should make games cheaper, with gas prices and things are record highs anyone that likes games and previously purchased them legit is gonna have to make sacrifices and if they see 60 dollars for a r4 and a memory stick and unlimited games (which I would not endorse its wrong and highly illegal) who wouldn't do it? Thats the things the world needs to be worried about is the effects of gas prices, they need to forget the gaming industry and think about the things that matter.

**JKKDARK** · February 1st, 2008, 02:05

Originally Posted by Eviltaco64

ehrm...Brazil? xD

And on every country where games are not published

**Rebrek** · February 1st, 2008, 02:58

I don't see how that statistic is even possible. I know OF 2 other people in my school complex of around 1500 students who even have flash carts (Microsoft has an enormous grip on the market here and DS's are usually only owned by kids too young to know how to work one). Considering that all three of us have Datel GnM, there is no pirating speak of. I have a in 1 and the only gba games I have on it are the ones I bought; the only ones I thought worthy of my money. Pfft, show me real data about this and then I'll get serious. This seems like a joke to me; the only pirating I've heard of around here was someone who got their hands on a homemade disc of the Japanese version of Kingdom Hearts 2.

**williew705** · February 1st, 2008, 03:52

I have a hard time feeling sorry for Nintendo. This is the company that will release a game they made over 15 years ago, add a couple of lame bonus features and sell them to the masses for almost the same amount people payed for them so many years ago.

Nintendo does not have any bestseller values either. The only games that seem to drop in price are the ones that are not current bestsellers. Sony was very kind for starting the greatest hits editions of their games, with all of the best selling games being under 20 dollars after being out for over a year.

This is just a sign of a changing culture and time. I don't think we will be seeing Music, Movies, and Games in the department stores for too many more years to come. Eventually we will probably all be downloading our entertainment from large databases, and paying for each download, that is if they manage to kill file sharing in the time being.

The R4 is convenient, in its ability to store many games on one cart, as oppose to having to carry several with you. If Nintendo would release an official replica of this, and have pay downloads, much like i-tunes has done with music, they could probably gain more potential customers. Devices like the R4 also enable us to use the DS to it's full potential with mp3, video, and programs like DS organize. The fact that the Max media dock existed was a selling point for the DS for me.

I think alot of the money we shell out when we go to the store is for the manufacturing of the product, not the games themselves. The current state of homebrew production is showing that Nintendo needs to up the ante on their part if they want to compete with what people are releasing on their own for free.

Seriously... How many more brain training games do we need?

**crookedmouth** · February 1st, 2008, 04:02

I use my DS for home brew and emulation. I'm not a big fan of the DS commercial games anyway. Everyone I know that has a DS, has no clue even what an R4 is or would be afraid to use it. He is giving the basic DS user too much credit.
Saying 90% of North Americans pirate DS games is BS. US DS hardware sales are around 17.7 million units. Thats 15.89 million R4s or similar devices being used by the evil US. DS software sales are record breaking, as are computer and video game sales.
I'm not defending piracy but come on this figure is absurdly inflated. I'd believe 5% tops perhaps(although thats probably too high),
Lets go after Hard Drive makers next because you can use that for piracy also, how about mp3 players? DVD burners, perhaps?
The video games industry is bigger then the Movie and Music industries.
I mean seriously this insults me, and it should most people here.