RAW (Another World) removed !

[MetaFox]

[quote author=Ian_micheal link=board=news;num=1084916608;start=15#19 date=05/20/04 at 10:00:54]Hmm well the author removed it what gives any one the right not to follow his lead, but i dont think it's right to release it after the real pc author pulls it..

Like Freecraft i would never touch that.
shines a some what bad light on the scene we follow our own rules and not the authors. not worth it.[/quote]Thanks for putting it in that way. That's the same way I was thinking, but I didn't put it into perspective until your post.

I'm always trying to get people to shine a bright light on the "scene", and not do something that isn't moral or legal, so what gives me the right to do otherwise.

I think I'll go the original route and see if I can get a legitimate release out via Dream On, by contacting all the respected parties.

[smiles]

Surely if the author of RAW wanted all ports of RAW to stop he would have stated so. It appears to me that he has stopped development. He's not asking anyone else to.

[MetaFox]

[quote author=smiles link=board=news;num=1084916608;start=15#21 date=05/20/04 at 17:14:13]Surely if the author of RAW wanted all ports of RAW to stop he would have stated so. It appears to me that he has stopped development. He's not asking anyone else to.[/quote]Actually, he pulled the entire release from his site. Source and all. That's a good indication that he doesn't want anyone working on it any more.

[smiles]

Please correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the code released GPL. If so you are free to do what you want with that code regardless of what happens now. If the author should release another version that is not GPL you are still free to use the current code you have that is GPL. There are really no restrictions for distributing that code so long as you follow the GPL license. If you are the only person left in the world with that code and it's GPL you need no ones permission to distribute it.

[MetaFox]

[quote author=smiles link=board=news;num=1084916608;start=15#23 date=05/20/04 at 20:39:14]Please correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the code released GPL. If so you are free to do what you want with that code regardless of what happens now. If the author should release another version that is not GPL you are still free to use the current code you have that is GPL. There are really no restrictions for distributing that code so long as you follow the GPL license. If you are the only person left in the world with that code and it's GPL you need no ones permission to distribute it.[/quote]Very true. As I said before, this is more of a moral dilemma than a legal one. I'm in my legal right to update my changes to the source, but morally I shouldn't as the author has removed his project completely.

Now, studying the source, and starting a brand new project to interpret Another World is a different story.

[Christuserloeser]

;D This sounds interesting!

But you really could ask the author of RAW and could get in contact with the actual creators of Another World as you said, so your port might be allowed by a special agreement as this would save you some time.

At least one offer could be a link to his new project for every site that offically hosts your download...

[quote author=MetaFox link=board=news;num=1084916608;start=0#1 date=05/19/04 at 01:13:51]I'll try to contact Eric Chahi and see if there is some compromise that can be made - since his work on re-releasing Out of This World obviously won't include the Dreamcast. *Maybe I'll be able to get the release out as a cover disc for a future issue of Dream On. *Thank heavens I picked up the source to 0.1.1 before the downloads went down. *It has sound and music, so it's basically complete now and would warrant space on a cover disc.[/quote]

[quote author=lantus link=board=news;num=1084916608;start=0#2 date=05/19/04 at 01:32:15]damn, what a shame - i had the 0.11 updates merged in with full intro/outro sound/music support ready to release as well as new gfx filters.[/quote]

[MetaFox]

[quote author=Christuserloeser link=board=news;num=1084916608;start=15#25 date=05/21/04 at 00:28:57] ;D This sounds interesting!

But you really could ask the author of RAW and could get in contact with the actual creators of Another World as you said, so your port might be allowed by a special agreement as this would save you some time.[/quote]Heh, I didn't say I was actually starting a new project. Just that it would be the only way to do so without disrespecting the original author's wishes.

[Phantom]

[quote author=Ian_micheal link=board=news;num=1084916608;start=15#19 date=05/20/04 at 10:00:54]
Hmm well the author removed it what gives any one the right not to follow his lead, but i dont think it's right to release it after the real pc author pulls it..[/quote]Yes, but that's another issue. Just to be clear; my earlier comments were directed at the original author of RAW.

I think he shouldn't have given in to the request. Like I said, if the ScummVM team had reacted the same way two years ago, ScummVM would be dead now. The author is under no legal obligation to stop the project, and I don't see any moral issues there either.

But what Metafox should do now is a different issue ofcourse. If I were Metafox I'd contact the RAW author to discuss it. If the RAW author would request that no further releases were made I would honour that request.

[pascal]

I don't think Eric Chahi will have any troubles regarding a dreamcast port. His main angry was the recent gba port. Few days ago, he asked the author of AW for gba (using another engine than raw) to remove his bin coz Eric Chahi is planning to sale a brand new gba port of AW.I can not imagine his head when he saw that pd release
So to prevent any troubles in the future, he asked to the author of RAW to remove all,so he won't suffer from another gba port. I think a release for DC without the availability of the source code won't hurts his business but we'd violate the GPL...
Meta u should definetly contact the author of Raw and Chahi and asking about an GPL infringement release only for DC

[Phantom]

[quote author=pascal link=board=news;num=1084916608;start=15#28 date=05/21/04 at 08:35:45]I don't think Eric Chahi will have any troubles regarding a dreamcast port. His main angry was the recent gba port.[/quote]Did it come with the game files included?