Quake 2 Wip News

[yudonomi]

So this developer has made a choice that will probably keep a number of people from trying his software. Fine. Of course, it would be hypocritical for him to allow using support files from the full version of Quake II, right? By his anti-ISO logic, you should be playing your purchased Quake II game from its original CD-ROM, on your PC or your Mac. Shame, I was planning to copy over (backup) files from my Quake II CD.

[melancholy]

The problem I have with the ISO protection is the fact that it supposedly detects loader directories too. I have a 1.5 PSP and a UMD of PoPoLoCrois. That game will only boot on a 1.5 PSP if you boot the UMD through Fastloader. No other method will make the game work. So to play Quake 2, I can't play my PoPoLoCrois UMD, and vice versa.

I can understand that he wants to prevent pirating, but this is not the way to do it. Pirates go to great lengths to get their games to work on older firmware, and therefore won't think twice about hacking his work to get around the protections. So the only people he is blocking out are the people that typically do not pirate games.

[HeX]

This guy is my hero, hes risking his game, no, his reputation for what he beleves in, and I support him 100%. If ISO loaders were never made then sony would have not been so hard on blocking homebrew, and games like GTA might even be working with 1.5! Also to all you people who use your PSP to run "backups" you are part of the problem. You dont need backups! Loose your game? buy a new one! Break your game? Buy a new one! Want to play your game at 333? do it some other way or dont do it at all. DONT SUPPORT ISO LOADERS. I strongy encorage all developers to include iso blockers in there homebrew! "Help the scene! Just say no to ISOs!"

[Psyberjock]

You dont need backups! Loose your game? buy a new one! Break your game? Buy a new one!

Hex, that comment is retarded. Fortunately for you, you seem to have an excess of money but most people don't have $50-60 to throw around everytime something unexpected happens. Considering the nature of a portable system, unexpected things can happen quite often. Home systems rarely have things break or get lost because they sit in one spot, a portable system goes places and its easy to break or lose something. Backups are protected as fair use by law. When you pay for a game you're paying for the license to use the software, not just the box and manual. That's why you can buy Adobe Photoshop online and never see a published CD or DVD.

[bob_nugget]

Urrrmm correct/flame me if I'm wrong, but isn't Quake 2 source release released under the GPL? (Or did McZonk just write it from the original release for mod creators?) Look at the id website

Cos I don't see any source code/GPL License around, which would make his Quake ][ port illegal pirated software. Seeing as McZonk hates piracy soo much, I'd hate to think he had pirated the Quake ][ engine from id software.

I also hate piracy and am in the software industry, but see the valid (to me) reasons for having ISOs, which are:
* legal backup (in some countries) of a game you OWN
* much faster load times over a UMD drive
* Laziness/portability - buy a big ole MS, and you don't need to take a stack of UMDs about (if you are rich!) - if I'm going on holiday my first priority is not a big stack of UMDs

[Killing2Live]

As i said before in another thread, I think its just really funny about how people have aneurysms when people talk about ISOs and piracy, I do realize that the reason that sony is stopping homebrew is because of piracy but Im sure that if sony did not care about either then you guys would care 80% less. Computer software piracy is 100x worse and you don't see people going crazy over a bootleg copy of photoshop or something when you talk about that stuff in forums. But another reason for ISOs which I believe is the best is carrying multiple games around on one card (2 Gb) its so much nicer. But I just think that its really wierd how people look at computer piracy and psp piracy as seperate things and freak out whenever someone mentions an ISO.

[phazey]

Getting back to the WIP theme, is the original pak0.pak of the full game supported in this release - it seems to power off my PSP after loading.........

[Smiths]

A) McZonk said he will release the source. So that's the end of that GPL crap thing

B) I love this. Anyone with a hex editor and a basic understanding can "undermine" this ASSHOLE'S ****ING BULL$#@! (sarcasm).

I love when programmers put their own $#@! into the programs. I've been supporting it since day 1 of this scene with everything I worked on.
We friggin' make the programs... you wanna use them? You agree to our License Agreement.

The same way you agree to any other company/person's when you hit "OK" on an install screen.

In fact, all these screaming kids coming out makes me applaud McZonk even more. I fargin' love when $#@! gets stirred up.

Oh, and yes I have used ISOs when I was playing my PSP constantly months ago (I'm back to my SP again). I fully support the argument that they load faster and run better from a memory stick.
I had an ISO of Hot Shots Golf, which is only available in Japanese here (in Japan, durrr). So I purchased a copy of the Japanese UMD despite never using it at all.

As mentioned before, the amount of "fair, legal" users of ISOs are countered tenfold by the "OMG DOSE IT PLAY GTA???!?1?11" crowd.

Logistics lose, sorry.
Go McZonk.

[Shapyi]

Well its basically their program, if they want to be anti-piracy freedom fighters props to them its their port. Don't want to support it, fine, if the port had music and sound it would be close to the quality of a PSP game I'd pay for.

Also, for those who support homebrew and not piracy, here is my opinion. Its not going to make a difference with Sony, if people are playing homebrew (legal or not) instead of buying PSP UMDs they are losing money. They make PSP at a loss, if someone just uses it for emulators, homebrew games, ports, etc they are hurting Sony the same way pirates are to a lesser extent. Atleast legal homebrew doesn't have that much of a moral or illegality as isos.

Its just pirated games are illegal and game developers with publishers spend a lot of money to bring to the public

By the way, Quake II port = amazing, keep up the good work. Good luck fighting piracy too, haha

[ajsblingbling]

to all the people that attacked me, looking back
now maybe i wasint as clear as i could of been....
what i meant was that sony see's homebrew as an
evil just like iso stealing.....not that i thought homebrew
was evil.....
my point was that last time i check sony doesint
suport homebrew..and its one of the many things they
put out firmware updates to stop....not just iso stealing..
so anyway im sorry if i said it wrong and everyone
thought i was attacking programs or homebrew...i
was just pissed off and didint speak clearly...
SONY HATES BOTH...